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How unique should you spin your articles for web 2.0's now with the Penguin update?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Georges, May 2, 2012.

  1. Georges

    Georges BANNED BANNED

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    what do you think is a good unique % when you spin your articles to not get caught by penguin? since thats what they are targeting now, bad spun content.
     
  2. Expertpeon

    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    I hand spin at least 5000% in articleranks (or around 700% in AMR) and ensure that the outputs will seem readable to any eyes that stumble onto the sites.
    Spintaxes are now generally 2-3 million words or so, and I'm aiming to go from 2-3 of these per niche to 4-5...

    10 sentences per sentence 3 sentences per paragraph (generic sentences that make sense before or after each other sentence) and 6 sets of sentences per paragraph (60 total sentences)
    Then manual synonym spin, and swap out all permutations of before/after, so you have around 5! paragraph permutations (though I usually stop at around 30 paragraph permutations to keep size of the file manageable)
     
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  3. zmoney

    zmoney Senior Member

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    Whoa... Did you just go there? I guess 5k is the new 30 lol. Seriously though, Expertpeon, I know you have some custom scripts etc, but can we get that high with Spinnerchief etc? Without being confused as hell with all the brackets?

    I admit, I'm outdated and only using 60% :(
     
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    How is that many words possible? I have TBS but am far from an expert.
     
  5. Expertpeon

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    I do them a paragraph at a time.... The final text file is around 4mb in size.
    Spinnerchief CAN handle each paragraph in this manner... you can also generate each paragraph in a file, do the synonyms and then spit out 3 sentence replacements/sentence in ubertoolz... if you want.
    Or just write that PHP script yourself to do it...
    ZP will accept up to 4mb articles and spit them out correctly without TOO poor of randomization... it's pretty good, but as always with "random" things the output isn't quite truly random. Unfortunately the distributions are just not flat when considering possibilities... it finds a center where it hits there far more than the other probabilities... but it floats with a high degree of randomness... ZP is very good at this, and it's out of the box ready.

    You may want to do the above and write a script to do the 3 sentences/sentence paragraph by paragraph generation with a much better random emulation language... java isn't bad at it.

    With 60 sentences/paragraph and generating 3 sentence paragraphs (with 3 permutations of sentences on each) you'd have a ton of very unique articles to use if you create smaller ones instead of the huge master ones I do... I'm not sure how many you could generate that are unique, because I don't feel like doing the math, but at the paragraph level you should be able to generate around 60! possibilities either way.
     
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  6. eugenekhay

    eugenekhay Regular Member

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    I do 2 paragraphs per paragraph and 4-5 sentences per each sentence. This I do manually.

    Then I use TBS to replace with favorites and read through the article and remove anything that does not sound right.

    This gives me 80%-90% original when comparing 100 articles

    My site has not lost any rankings


    Edit: I was thinking of signing up to ubertoolz but I do not have enough output to justify the monthly payment
     
  7. moonlighsunligh

    moonlighsunligh Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    There is no way to make articles in the way expertpeon does. It is possible to have interchangeable sets of 2-3 sentences, but there is no way that each sentence gonna fit at any place inside a paragraph.

    Doing this way, you can only articles that do not read well. No self-respecting article directory will publish such article.

    By the way i do eight rewrites per sentence, and if possible I reorder sets of 2-3 sentences inside a paragraph. But it takes really long time to prepare such article.
     
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  8. ok888

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    Forget about spinning this spinning that just post unique articles

    DONE DEAL NO NEED TO WORRY UNIQUENESS WHEN ITS 100% UNIQUE ALREADY
     
  9. zmoney

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    Sounds like a good first tier strategy. 6 Unique web 2.0's. But what about the 24 second tiers and 72 third tier?
     
  10. deviatus

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    Less spun, but grammatically correct, readable, and relevant content is much better than super spun nonsensical content.

    Google checks if the text seems computer-generated, but because so many legit sites have duplicate content, they are much more forgiving on that front.
     
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    *claps* Go write me 500 unique articles for my 1st tier then.

    I actually do quite similar to expertpeon and it is totally possible. It takes a while to set up but the result is 700%+ on AMR and reads well. Infact, I just finished off one which shows as 900-1000% for a rather large-ish campaign.
     
  12. zmoney

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    And you can use those to promote multiple keywords per site? I always was spinning 1 article for 1 keyword/page.

    BTW: Damn, You guys are NOT messing around.
     
  13. Expertpeon

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    Cool... my first tiers usually are 4-5 sites at a time (at least post feb), and around 10,000 articles on web 2.0s, wikis, press releases and microblogs... my 2nd tiers are also web 2.0s and at least 10 articles for each first tier article, and all interlinked to another 2nd tier article.

    I'd need about 80-90k hand written articles for 1 campaign...
    Not to mention the blasting I do from public high PR networks to the 2nd tier... etc

    And just to be clear, YES it's possible to do it how I do it... you just need a good command over the english language.
    If my stuff was spinning out unreadable crap, trust me I wouldn't do it... I would go back to hand spinning tier 1 and using master articles on tier 2, however, I've come up with a way to create highly readable content on tier 1 via the swap out before/after method.

    Does the content seem spun? of course... spun content uses a lot of diverse vocabulary. However, it's extremely readable... You cannot really prevent it "sounding" a bit "off" to a human reader.
    I'm getting a lot better at this as I go along, and the results are pretty awesome that I'm generating now.


    Interesting... because PRlog, BMR (prior to close) and EZinine will often accept these things when I post them there
    3 sentence paragraphs, can be extremely easy to manage.
    My spun content in this manner reads better than stuff written by your average college grad blogger... I do a lot of manual input for synonyms and am careful with the spinning.
    It's really not that hard... If I showed you the output from this one I finished up yesterday, you probably would be surprised.
     
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  14. puneetas3

    puneetas3 Senior Member

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    Wait I thought Panda sits on bad spun content and Penguin slides over the on-site optimization. I was doing spun content for Panda... and now you say that I need to spun more for penguin, this is insane.
     
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    The data is still coming in on this update. If you do not have a large network of sites, in which some are disposable, I would stick with focusing on manual posts at this point. Let the larger players figure Penguin out so you don't have to risk jamming one of your sites. :) On another note, I do enjoy Expertpeon's posts. He adds value in much of what he speaks of, but keep in mind he is more of a heavy hitter as compared to the majority here.
     
  16. Georges

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    so what do u guys think is the absolute minimum unique percentage to be safe?
     
  17. Expertpeon

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    There's no such thing as safe right now... and probably not for awhile until google fixes the "penalty" BS
     
  18. Georges

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    anyone got more input to add?
     
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    I agree 100%; I use about 30% or so uniqueness when I use SpinnerChief auto spinning, then spin the title, the first sentence, and the sentence with the link by hand. If I don't feel too lazy, then I would spin the article in such a way that the link shows up say in the 2nd paragraph in the first spin, in the 4th in the next spin, etc. just to break the pattern a bit. So far, so good
     
  20. stinkingrich

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    I scrape around 800 articles on my topic. Then I word spin them in bulk using TBS. Then I split them at sentence level. Then I scrape images, videos and wikipedia links related to my topic. Then according to my need (web 2.0, xrumer, social networks) I create a super spun article using my custom software that can create millions of unique variations will all the spice that google loves. Great results so far with senuke as well as xrumer.