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How To Sell Fake Art On Ebay And Make Big Money

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  1. r-webb-k

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    Tired of working same old job? Ready to give up that nasty commute and work from home? Want to be your own boss? Need extra income? Well, fret no more because now you can make big money selling fake art on eBay. (It's OK; eBay doesn't care.)

    You say you know nothing about art? Not a problem. The morons who'll be bidding on your fakes don't know anything either. But unlike you, they think they do, which makes bilking them out of hundreds, thousands, and sometimes tens of thousands of dollars per fake, virtually effortless. Yes, committing felonies and misdemeanors has never been easier. Fake Chagall, Picasso, Warhol, Dali, Miro, Haring, Basquiat-- take your pick. They say crime doesn't pay? Well, crime is OK on eBay.

    But nobody's that stupid, you're thinking. Well, guess again. In the old days, experts on stupidity used to believe that a sucker was born every minute. That was before eBay. Now researchers into imbecilic behavior can go onto eBay, watch real bozos get ripped off all day long, count them up, and easily verify that far more than one sucker is born every minute. So are you ready to flaunt the law and ascend to the next tax bracket? Of course you are. Let's get started!

    Find Some Art

    Step one is to find a piece of art. Paintings are always good, but tend to be more expensive, harder to locate, and more difficult to doctor, so look for drawings, watercolors, prints and other works on paper. Works of art on paper are the easiest to manipulate, particularly prints (especially lithographs found in books about famous artists), and are recommended for crooks who are just starting out. Best procedure is to wait until you've got your water wings before you tackle paintings.

    You can find cheap works on paper at places like second hand stores, junk shops, flea markets, garage sales, and rummage sales. Choose pictures that have a little age and look important. Better quality used bookstores and online used book databases are good places to find art books with prints or lithographs by famous artists in them. If you decide to cut your prints out of books, pick images that are printed on heavier paper, and make sure they're blank on the backs with no text from the next or previous page-- you don't want to be too obvious.

    Choose Your Artist

    If your art already has a famous artist's name on it, you know who it's by, or you know what artist's art it looks like, skip this step and proceed directly to "Fake the Signature." If your art is not signed or you don't know who it's by, or it's by a minor artist and you want to upgrade it to a major one, you'll have to match its style up with that of a famous artist. You'll find loads of examples of famous art by famous artists in art books at your local library or at large bookstores like Borders or Barnes & Noble. You can also look online. Look at art by different artists until you find one whose art looks like yours. Then you'll be ready to move on to the next step and fake the signature. Hint: The more famous the artist you match your art up with and fake, the more money you'll be able to extract from clueless bidders, so stick to household names like Picasso, Warhol, Chagall, Miro, or Dali. (Why commit a misdemeanor when committing a felony is just as easy?)

    If you already know something about art or have some art education, you can probably match your art up with little or no help. But remember-- even if you don't know a single thing about art, all it takes is a little practice looking at famous art by famous artists, and before you can say "Warhol ate my homework" you'll be able to match fakes with artists in your sleep. By the way, your art doesn't have to look that much like the artist's art that you say it's by, but the more it does, the more birdbrains will bid on it.

    Fake the Signature

    After you match an artist to your art, your next step is to sign that artist's name somewhere on the art. You can sign it on either the front or the back, but signing on the front usually elicits more bids. The easiest signatures to add are ones you write in pencil, pen, crayon or marker on works on paper. If you're new at breaking the law by committing art fraud, use pencil on a work on paper.

    Find a good clear example of your artist's signature and then practice writing it on scratch paper until you get good at copying it. This may take several hundred signings, but be patient. You'll soon get the hang of it and be able to sign almost as well as the artist. By the way, you can often find good clear examples of famous artists' signatures on eBay. Don't worry if they're genuine or not. The doinks you'll be swindling won't know the difference either.

    Additional signature pointers:

    * If your art is already signed, but the signature is part of the picture ("signed in the plate" or printed by the company that made the art), add a signature anyway. A hand-written signature always enhances the value of a phony work of art.

    * If you have trouble faking an artist's name, fake only the artist's initials, and then say whose initials they are in the text of your item description (see below). This tact usually works, but don't expect the kind of bidding you'll get when you fake the whole signature.

    * If you have hand tremors or other problems copying the signature, date the art with a year close to when the artist died. That way, you'll be able to explain why the signature looks a bit forced, contrived, or shaky.

    Write Your Description

    Your eBay item description is the centerpiece of your flimflam, the hook that reels in the live ones. Well-written descriptions mean more bids on your ersatz art and more money in your pocket. So take some time, be thoughtful, and be creative. All dollars aside, the entertainment value alone of watching fools line up to get fleeced is more than worth the time it takes to skillfully misrepresent your forgeries.

    Make up a convoluted story about your art's ownership history. Just about anything will do. Some eBay theorists believe that the more convoluted a story is, the more pinheads will believe it. Whatever tall tale you tell, keep it vague and unverifiable.

    For example, say something like "We present this important Vincent Picasso drawing to the open market for the first time ever. According to the current owner, who wishes to remain anonymous, a wealthy art collector bought the drawing at a major European art gallery sometime in the early 1960's. Several years later, the collector gave it to his contractor in partial payment for a kitchen remodel. In the mid-1980's the contractor joined an obscure religious order, renounced all of his worldly posessions, and gave the drawing to his son. Several years ago, the son, a cross-dresser, rear-ended the current owner (actually, the current owner's car) while applying lipstick during the morning rush hour. The drawing was given to the current owner as part of an out-of-court settlement for damages resulting from the accident."

    Stories like this make the art sound pretty good, but you can make it sound even better. No matter how worthless your art is, exaggerate its importance with a few well-placed art words. For example, describe a mass-edition reproduction print by the process used to print it-- a heliotype, an offset lithograph, a photogravure, or whatever. Cortically challenged bidders will have no idea what you're talking about, but will believe that those words make the art more valuable. Hint: If you're worried that a few bidders might actually know what an offset lithograph is, drop the "offset" and use just the word "lithograph." Point of information: Telling the truth here and there is unlikely to compromise the overall integrity of your fraud.

    The art word "provenance" is especially good to use in your descriptions. Provenance in the art business refers to chain of ownership, and is important when it speaks directly to the authenticity of a work of art. Never mind that; use the word any way you want. For instance, at the end of the Vincent Picasso drawing description above, say something like "A copy of this provenance will be provided to the winning bidder along with the art."

    Additional ways to trump up your fake's believability:

    * Call your art "museum quality" and pepper your description with superlatives. Don't worry; they'll believe it.

    * Write an effusive verbose excessive rambling treatise about the artist, his life, and his career (include the artist's birth weight only if you're offering a very early work). You can cut and paste artist biographies and career information right off the Internet and into your description (don't worry about copyright infringement). Note: Long detailed descriptions are excellent for hiding disclaimers (see "Skirting Fraud Laws" below).

    * Go on and on about the highest prices that the artist's art has ever sold for at auction. Even though you're only offering a magazine illustration worth a quarter, talk about paintings that have sold for millions.

    * If the art's been recently framed, refer to the framing with phrases like "framed to museum standards," "archival materials," and "UV protection." The dundernoggins you'll be duping believe that if the framing is good, that means the art is good too.

    * Claim to have names of previous owners, certificates of authenticity, or other forms of proof that authenticate the art, but say in your description that you'll only provide those to the winning loser AFTER the sale is complete. Then send them photocopies of letters or documents that you found in books or library archives. You can also use copies of documents you find on the web. These documents should mention the artist's name and/or discuss art similar to the art you sold, but never specifically mention your art. Note: Your documents should always be photocopied; photocopies are much easier to manipulate than originals. Don't worry-- the infinitesimal intellects who buy your art won't think to question your documents, and won't ask to see the originals.

    * Block out or falsify addresses, phone numbers, or other specific contact information on any of your copied documents if you think they can be easily traced. Say that you're doing this to protect previous owners' identities. You can also replace real names or addresses with nonexistent ones.

    * Conning cretins with copies works well, but with experience, you'll be able to produce your own falsified documents including appraisals, ownership records, and certificates of authenticity. That will save you the trouble of having to locate and falsify documents belonging to others.

    * When you make up names, put initials after them like "Appraised by Dr. Brantley Snerker, S.C.M." We all know that people who have initials after their names are right far more often than people who have no initials after their names.

    * When fabricating names of businesses, use non-specific ones like "American Fine Art Appraisal Partners," "Appraisals International," or "Quality Art Investments, Inc." Locate them in big cities like New York, Miami, or Los Angeles, but don't provide any addresses or other contact information.

    * Documents should be dated before 1980, preferably in the 1960's or 1970's, because then they're difficult to trace. You can say you tried to contact the experts or the companies that authored them, but couldn't find them.

    Skirting Fraud Laws

    Extracting a pea-brain's money is one thing; keeping it is another. Judicial use of disclaimers is essential to assure that the pathetic boneheads who will be financing your flamboyant new lifestyle have no recourse to get their money back in the unlikely event that they ever figure out they've been reamed.

    * Include a quiet unobtrusive statement in your description like "Sale is finalized upon receipt of payment."

    * State somewhere else in your description, preferably hidden in the middle of a really boring part where you're running on and on about nothing that's even remotely related to your art, that though all evidence points to the fact that your art is genuine, you are selling it as "attributed to the artist" rather than by the artist.

    * Place the bulk of your disclaimers elsewhere on eBay, on a totally different page from your for-sale listing, and casually suggest that bidders click over to that page and read it before they bid. If they don't, and most won't, they'll have no idea how royally screwed they'll be if they buy your art. "But how the frig can I do that?" you ask in disbelief. Simple. eBay offers an amenity called a "me" page where you can type disclaimers until your hands cramp up. Have a section where you discuss and define terms used in your listings like "attributed to," "in the manner of," "in our opinion," or "in the style of." Then clearly state that no refunds will be given on any art that is described using any of those terms. You can also use your "me" page to blather on about how honest you are, how much you love art, that your second cousin was an Eagle Scout, and how long you've been in business.

    * Guarantee that the buyer will be entitled to a full refund if the art has not been properly represented as an original watercolor, drawing, lithograph, print or whatever else it actually is. Say something like "We guarantee that this is a genuine pencil sketch on paper." Only guarantee the medium, though; never guarantee that it's by the artist whose signature you've added.

    * Offer a full refund within ten days if the muttonhead who buys it snaps out of his IQ coma and provides a recognized expert's opinion saying the art is not by the artist whose signature it bears. Don't worry-- you'll never have to refund any money. First of all, finding a recognized expert is not easy. Second, paying for that expert's opinion is expensive-- usually costing hundreds and sometimes thousands of dollars. Third, getting an expert's opinion within ten days is almost impossible because they have to see the art in person, meaning that you have to ship it to them. Fourth, if the buyer says he's found an expert, tell him you don't recognize that person as an expert.

    Other helpful hints:

    * Use "private" auctions to hide bidders' identities (see eBay for instructions). Private auctions prevent people who see you're committing larceny from emailing the clever victims who can't wait to get rich at your expense.

    * Only accept checks, money orders, cashiers checks, wire transfers, certified checks, or other forms of cash. That way, the dorks you nail will have a really tough time trying to get their money back. The good news is that if they're stupid enough to buy your bogus baloney in the first place (and they will be), they're unlikely to ask for refunds later.

    * If, by some extraordinary stretch of the imagination you have to refund a bidder's money, go ahead and do it. As soon as you get the art back, put it up for sale on eBay again. It'll sell just as easily as it did the first time.


    :DYou Could Make Millions With This if Cover Your Ass lol
     
  2. oldenstylehats

    oldenstylehats Elite Member Premium Member

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    You should reference the original source of this post:
    Code:
    http://www.art*business.com/fake*tutorial.html
     
  3. r-webb-k

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    sorry about that i was going to too just thought may be it didn't matter lol
     
  4. madinaz

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    I know this site is about blackhat stuff but come on. Selling worthless FAKE crap is where I draw the line. I mean you might as well hit them over the head with a tire iron and steal there wallet. I think this is just one step to far. Maybe it's good for you but I don't think it's worth the risk or bad karma
     
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  5. Diabolik

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    This sounds like the kind of thing that could bring the F.B.I. to your door.
     
  6. oldenstylehats

    oldenstylehats Elite Member Premium Member

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    My thoughts exactly.
     
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    yeah, this stinks of jail time
     
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    Thats cool, just saved me a download. One i don't need
     
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    I personally couldn't sleep at night if I did this.
     
  10. goldengod420

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    Fraud = Jail time = Bad idea


    I can't tell anyone what to do, but I can assure you that I won't be doing this anytime soon
     
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    this is a horrible idea. The buyer of the fake art would have every right to have you tracked down and prosecuted. this might be a good idea for you if you live in africa or something, but otherwise.. come on.
     
  12. bluey

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    Come on guys this isn't Blackhat this is fraud plain and simple.

    Some one must realise that people have been put in jail for art fraud do we really want this sort of crap in our forum. Next we will be reading books on how to plan a bank heist and maybe even a great train robbery (oh no that ones been done ... We all know how that ended?)
     
  13. GoldenTiger

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    Umm... cmon guys... judging by the vocabulary used in the post, I would say it was most probably meant as a joke.

    Now if someone is actually dumb enough to try to implement this "method"... well thats going to be their problem.
     
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    I concur GTiger. It had to have been a joke.....at least I hope so.
     
  15. vmedia

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    here's the source of the article.... in the future steal a good idea!!

    h**p://www.artbusiness.com/faketutorial.html
     
  16. Alindria

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    Definitely sounds like a joke, yeah. :)
     
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    The idea has some potential, but it's impossible to protect yourself legally. Jurisprudence is against you - there are plenty of cases where the court ruled that the wording of an auction was "purposefully deceptive" and awarded in favor of the scammed muttonhead.

    An idea that pops to mind is to buy some random artist's painting and to sell it off as if the guy was really famous. There are plenty of art galleries online. Find one that's not too expensive (you can buy nice-looking stuff for less than 40 bucks) and in the ebay title just write something like "Authentified [name] painting - must sell". Most of these paintings you buy online come with a letter of certification anyway, and that's always a plus. If the buyer thinks you went to the trouble of having it certified, then in his mind it's worth more. Ka-ching.
     
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    if i follow all this pattern as you told friend
    so can i do this is real and get more profit
    because in cpa affilates we also get more money like this
     
  19. interpro

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    Actually, selling art on Ebay is a good idea. I'm not talking about any risky, illegal scam like the one outlined above, but a real, legitimate business.

    A few years ago, I was on vacation in the far east. While I was in Hong Kong, I ran across a local businessman who was selling paintings. These were real oil paintings on canvas. They weren't fakes of the masters in any way - they were just original oil paintings of good quality.

    The paintings were well done and some were portraits, while others were still-life, landscapes, etc - quite a variety. I was interested in buying for resale, so I purchased 10 of the paintings. I worked out a tentative deal where I could buy the paintings for about $3 each in quantities of 100.

    When I got back home with the paintings, I visited several local art galleries and showed the samples. I offered to place the paintings on consignment and the galleries would pay me $45 for each painting after a sale. Every gallery manager I spoke to was favorably impressed with the paintings and was anxious to get started. I think I visited 8 or 10 galleries and they all wanted to sell the paintings.

    Needless to say, since I would be paying $3 each and someone else (the gallery) would be doing the selling, I was happy to get such a large return on my money. Unfortunately, when I tried to get back in contact with the guy in Hong Kong, I could never reach him again.

    Well, anyhow I think that selling art on Ebay is a good idea and if you sell high quality oil paintings on canvas, you could make some good money. I do this myself if I had a reasonable source for the paintings. Hint - if anyone knows of a source like the one I described, please let me know!
     
  20. headspin

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    Why not try art students? I live in a college town, so there's plenty available, and most I know wouldn't mind letting go of some of their stuff for ten or twenty bucks, and they could give you a steady supply of reasonable quality art.