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How to reduce google sandbox time (apart from buying expired domains)

Discussion in 'Blogging' started by elitebill, Aug 22, 2016.

  1. elitebill

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    I would like to hear suggestions on ways to reduce sandbox time ( I think its around 3 months) on a brand new domain.
     
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    NO SUCH THING AS SANDBOX
     
  3. elitebill

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    Really?
     
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    It`s actually 2 months and 23 days .
     
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    More powerful links pointing towards less competitive kwds = much faster success

    Simple form of mathematics....

    There is no exact "sandbox" per se...At least nobody can prove there is. It's pretty common knowledge though that it "seems" to take awhile to rank for more competitive kwds. It takes time to get the links, to get them indexed by google, and for google to apply them, etc... Some will give examples of PBN posts boosting their ranking in days. Others will tell you they've moved at a snail's pace for months despite continuously adding high quality PBN and authority type links. It REALLY depends on numerous factors, not the least of which is "what is your competition REALLY doing vs. what you think they are doing?" or in another words...How hard is the keyword to rank?

    You can "possibly" help a new domain by starting to send general low-level links to it right out of the gate. I mean with one page up and squat for content on it. Look up "domain prepping"...Press releases, social signals, etc...It can help a little. BUT....here's reality...

    The bigger picture is that unless you know what you're doing, don't even bother trying to rank anything above an easy keyword. When you can analyze a kwd and the top 10 and you KNOW it will take between X and Y links to rank it, THEN you can start going after Kwds that are the next level up from there. Oh...And BTW...you will NO DOUBT find exceptions to the rule. Kwd A and Kwd B may look like they have the same level of competition. You can go out and get the same links to each different page targeting those kwds. KWD A might rank top 3. Kwd B might be stuck on the 2nd page and you'll be wondering "WTF is THIS SHIT?"... Nature of the beast. Google is the most temperamental bitch in the history of bitches. BUT...At least IMO...She seems to be a little more easy going for less competitive kwds.

    By asking the question you did, you exposed yourself. No big deal but the truth is simple.... You don't know enough yet. Stick to VERY EASY KWDS. When you know you can rank those, move up to fairly easy kwds. Etc...And remember that sometimes what you THINK is going to work, will surely fail. Don't take it personally. Toss it aside and move on to the next domain/project.

    A...B...T....

    ALWAYS....BE....TESTING

    Good luck.
     
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    I've run tests and tbh there is a sandbox for a new domain. Parasites can rank so much more quickly than a fresh domain given both have the same links.

    I've had a YT video with a 100 word description & proper on page get 1st pg rankings within an hour while a site with a 1k article and proper on page is barely top 100.
     
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    no sandbox exists i can tell you this because i can take a new domain and have it ranking top 10 in 2 weeks for low to medium comp
     
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    A fairly common process to use is as follows:
    • Create a social fortress, this is common among legit new businesses. So build out your Facebook, Twitter, G+, etc.
    • Use a Press Release to create some hype around your new business. Again this is quite natural for new businesses.
    • After the press release has finished, drip 50-100 social signals over a month
    • 1-2 weeks after starting the social signals, start sending 1-2 PBN links a week
    We've run this same process multiple times with success.
     
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    There is no sandbox lol.
     
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    "There is a sandbox"
    "There is no sandbox"

    You're one or the other. Unfortunately, neither party will ever concede as it is pretty much impossible to prove there is/isn't a sandbox. As an example:

    I had 2 entertainment websites. Both registered at the same time, with different registrars, whois info, etc. I started posting on both of them, and within 3 months 1 website is hitting 100k impressions per day while the other is sitting all snug at 3k impressions per day. Both have over 100+ backlinks indexed total. Was one sandboxed? No idea. Did one avoid the sandbox? No idea. All I can do personally is keep growing them. :)
     
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    I know there is no no exact sandbox period. What im asking is methods to increase trust in googles eyes for a new domain. I know you can rank a low competition keyword in a few weeks but not all keywords are the same.
     
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    Made a similay observation too...i think there are more ranking factors to google than we possibly know. I had a 3 websites completed at almost the same time all on fresh domains, 2 of them barely have 1000 visitors a day buy one has 6,000 sessions a day at the 12th week.
     
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    I f i may ask, do you know any good provider for social signals? or how do you go about it yourself.
     
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    I was asking not because i dont have experience or that ive never ranked keywords, been at this for 3 years. i just noticed some sites have a longer "sandbox" than others. Im just looking for measures to equalise ( Which i know wont be easy).
     
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    Socials are socials in my opinion. If you're going to outsource it, you're really just looking for people that can get the job done quickly and efficiently for a decent price. I've used a few from the Marketplace here and believe it or not from Fiverr too. I've seen little difference between them all to be honest. For me it's just to get a site indexed and noticed by google. I know some people use socials differently but I don't put that much into them. Never have.

    I would just pick some providers and run some tests. See who gets stuff done fast and how long it takes for those links to get indexed, etc.. Some people put a lot more effort into socials. I don't bother. Not my thing. I will say that if you're doing Wordpress, you should probably set up one of those plugins that post to social sites every time you add a post. I like anything that provides useful automation! In that case I would think it's definitely worthwhile to setup your own accounts, especially if you're building large sites.

    Good luck to you,
    Con
     
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    But what about keeping it there ? :)
     
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    i bought a .online domain for 86 cents and ranked it page 1 in under 2 weeks for low competition keyword last month , no links
     
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    How much content did it have when you put up the site?
     
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    i wrote 3 posts ,privacy ,about ,contact pages submitted my sitemap to google and bing same day. i then scraped at least 1 article per day linking directly to the source(or the source of the source)of the info for about a week ,changed the details of an existing twitter account to my keyword with around 600 followers ,i then followed every expert in that field , built a fanpage with fake likes but only to claim the name for the page .since then i write every other day and position 7 for main keyword and 12 for similar keyword . getting around 70 visitors per day from g00gle hoping to double that over the next few days .i still built no links and will not be building any .
     
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    There's *DEFINITELY* a sandbox. Anyone who says there's not probably hasn't tried to rank many sites, especially in 2017.

    What there is not, is some set, specific thing called a "sandbox". There is not an exact component in their algorithm that is a sandbox. The "sandbox effect" is a result of a multitude of factors. It's worse than ever in 2017.

    The way to minimize the effect is :

    1) Good siloing. This will give you more topical authority and you'll rank for more keywords in your niche quicker. Siloing is more important than ever in 2017. Back in 2014 I could launch a single page site with a 3k word article and within 48 hours and no backlinks I was ranking in the top 100 for 200-500 keywords. Now, that same approach won't even index in a week. I'll be indexed after 2 weeks, and by 4-6 weeks I'll be ranking for about 50 keywords.

    2) Social. REAL social. Finding natural backlink patterns is a VERY VERY hard programming problem. Identifying real, active twitter accounts is not. Real social activity, and this means actual engagement on the account and shares is a very very strong trust signal. I don't believe social gives you that much ranking power, but what it does do is accelerate your site to where it would be after 6 months of natural aging.

    3) Certain links that pass trust. There's a few different things that get passed around from a backlink(IMO, my personal assessment). Juice(raw power), trust, topical authority(this isn't about relevancy, it's about actual topical authority. Imagine 10 top doctors recommend another doctor(topical authority) vs 10 average doctors(relevancy)) -- Went off topic a bit there, but anyway, trust is passed with every link, based on the domain, the page, type of link, the position of the moon in the sky etc. That trust can be from -10 to +10 for example, which is why I say trust is passed with every link.

    I personally use social to break out the sandbox earlier, but I have noticed some sites that absolutely kill it early on almost always have a bunch of high trust links, like .edu's. PBNs for example won't really pass high levels of trust. They pass juice, which is why you also want some trust signals and some topical authority(Which can come from on-page siloing, or links from authority sites in the niche).

    EDIT: Oops, just realized I bumped an older post. Still pretty relevant stuff though and a good topic to revive for discussion.
     
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