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How To "Package" Your Own Cigarettes

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Michael78, Dec 24, 2010.

  1. Michael78

    Michael78 Newbie

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    Ok....so we've all figured out that rolling your own cigarettes can save you a lot of money, however, I'm becoming more interested in actually "packaging" your own cigarettes; creating the packs, then creating the boxes for the cartons.

    So basically, let's say that someone wants to open their own brands of cigarettes...what kind of materials would they need to create the packs and cartons to package the cigarettes? This is obviously just for research purposes, but any feedback would be greatly appreciated.


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  2. ExobiT

    ExobiT Junior Member

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    Are you planning to sit at home and roll a hell lot of cigs, pack and sell them :D ?
     
  3. dgruergerugerhiye

    dgruergerugerhiye BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Uh depending where you live you could have a seriously tough time getting your brand past the federal regs for wholesale. Big tobacco has the entire West locked down.
     
  4. Michael78

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    Absolutely not.....this is simply a research question ;)
     
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    oxonbeef BANNED BANNED

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    I think you got lost on you guugling.
    This is BHW a blackhat IM forum,
    I think you should try
    Code:
    http://www.cigreviews.com/forums/
     
  6. GreyWolf

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    I guess that really depends on where you live.

    A few years ago I started making my own cigarettes, not just because it was cheaper but also because you can actually make higher quality cigarettes. The main reason it was cheaper is because bulk tobacco was taxed at a much lower rate than manufactured cigarettes.

    But then a couple years ago in California they decided to change the tax structure on tobacco. The tax on cigarettes went up some, but the tax on bulk tobacco went up something like 400%. The result was that it now costs about the same to make a cartons worth of cigarettes as it does to buy a carton of ready made cigarettes.

    In fact if your like me and do it because you prefer to use higher quality tobacco, then it actually became more expensive to make your own.

    Another thing to consider about your idea even if you live in an area in which bulk tobacco is still taxed less. If you plan to manufacture the cigarettes for sale, then you still have to follow the regulation and collect the taxes for sales of the manufactured cigarettes. If you don't then you fall into the same category as moonshiners do for alcohol.

    Do it wrong and you can end up with the revenuers coming after you. ATF, FBI, and IRS could all be coming after you. :cool2:
     
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  7. angelas111

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    i tried rolling my own before. real pain in the ass for me. too much of a mess. e-cigs are not bad though.
     
  8. Michael78

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    Thanks for the response GreyWolf. Even though the tax is high on tobacco, there are still ways around it, ex; indian reservations. My main concern and interest thus far is not in the production of the cigarettes, but the "packaging" of them to make them desirable and sellable......just out of curiosity...
     
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    how about herbal cigarettes? i sell herbal cigaretes right now and it sells well but i am friends with the manufacturer so i dont wanna ask them how they make it all i know is its done in china *no surprise* and then exported here.
     
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    I wouldn't think packaging would be to hard, you'd need to find a paper supplier and a printing service. There's all kinds of mom and pops cig makers but like a few stated, you need to keep the moneys and paperwork tight. There's actually a few cig forums lmao.
     
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    Well rolling them would be a pain in the butt. Making actual cigarettes is pretty easy though if you have a decent injector machine. It takes about 5 minutes to make a pack's worth of cigarettes. I would actually make a lot more than that at a time though.

    I had a nice oak cigarette box with ivory inlays that I kept on my desk like you see in old movies. I'd set everything up on the coffee table and keep making them while I was watching a movie. I kept a humidor button in the box so the cigarettes would stay fresh. Then I had a cigarette case I'd fill up from the box every morning for when I was away from the house. If I was leaving town for a few days I would put them in a travel tin instead of the ivory box.

    Really making them was kind of relaxing and even fun. It also made smoking more of an active experience. You didn't really just mindlessly smoke, when you were going to have a cigarette you would actually take the time to enjoy it. Of course choosing better quality tobacco and tubes made it even more enjoyable, and the fact it was actually cheaper than buying pre-made cigarettes made it even better.

    Having the cigarette boxes, cases etc. was all kinda like something from the 1940s. It kinda gave a Casablanca feel to smoking. (Minus the Nazi occupation of course.) :cool2:

    Then they raised the taxes which made the tobacco I liked even more expensive than regular cigarettes, even though regular cigarettes got ridiculously expensive as well. It's a little bit less if you buy mail order but still not like it was. It just kinda took the fun out of it all. :(
     
  12. joteb

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    Plus, Obama signed the pact tobacco act which went into effect end of June 2010. This prohibits the shipping of rolling tobacco across state lines. I guess they found out too many people were getting tobacco at low prices via internet nowadays. Many tobacco companies have gotten around this law by making "dual purpose" tobaccos which are exempt from this law. These are still available via internet under various brands at about 16 to 23 dollars per pound (2 and a half cartons). Some companies still sell the regular rolling tobaccos via internet, but they are risking serious penalties.
    I've always used rollyourown dot com.
     
  13. Michael78

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    Thanks for the response. Yes, I was thinking I would need some sort of paper supplier and printing service, however, I was wondering if I could print and package them on my own. I was thinking I could set up my own printers, but I would still need the paper (or cardboardish paper for that matter). I was wondering, would a place like Staples sell that type of cardboard paper? Then one can just buy it, print on it, and then fold it. Outsourcing the job to a printing service is a good idea, but I think it may leave too much of a trail if one wanted to venture into this type of business.
    So does anyone know where one can buy that type of cardboard printing paper that is used for packs of cigarettes?

    Thanks again for the response and Happy Holidays