How to outrank churn n burn sites with manual web 2.0?

hi all, i need some inputs here.

I am fighting for few medium to hard competition kws in same niches, and current top 10 pages in google serp are mainly churn and burn style ranking, they have 15k - 50k backlinks in majistic and 200k-400k of backlinks in ahrefs.



I am using the below strategies since 1-2 weeks ago:

1. money site <-- 10-20 manual web 2.0 with unique hand written contents, authority links, relevant images & videos <-- 100-1000 contextual links with SER to each manual web 2.0 <-- few thousands of spam links with ser

2. 300 PBN blog post from BHW market place to manual web 2.0 with 3 main kws

3. 600+ FCS networker created web 2.0 properties which had 3 main kws and 30 LSI as anchor link to 10-20 manually created web 2.0

4. 200+ FCS networker created web 2.0 properties which had only 30 LSI as anchor link to No 3 above.

5. 200+ FCS networker created web 2.0 properties which syndicate my money site blog posts and some other authority site blog posts, using naked url

6. 200+ FCS networker created web 2.0 properties which use highly spun articles and build as pyramid tier to No 5 above.


I had not seen a single keyword i aim rank in google top 500 according to accuranker. Of course it is still too early as the whole project only start for 2 weeks. I need some input:

1. from experience, can we outrank churn and burn site with few hundred thousand of backlinks, with only 10-20 manual created web 2.0 backlinks?
2. What else can I do in order to give more power to my money sites?

This is a tortoise and the hair senario, they are build for speed but have many flaws, you are slow but trying to build for the long term.

I would try to highjack their highest PR links if you're doing it manually. And check how much social marketing they have, if they're neglecting use of social signals and traffic growth for their ranking strategy then you will have an advantage in the long term.

Both of your competitor sites have good TF for being a churn and burn project

Did you check their top 1,000 backlinks through majestic & ahrefs?

Do that and see if you can get a link from where they got one too.

Also, what's that competition checker? Is it SERPIQ?

The sites have pretty good TF, are you sure these are churn and burn and not real authority domains?

asap1 said:

The sites have pretty good TF, are you sure these are churn and burn and not real authority domains?

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I have the same problem in my niche - site has 30+ TF, but it has 30K backlinks and the top ones are chinese anchors/websites and that'a all spam - blog comments and that are not even close to begin relevant on the actual article and same goes for the articles, they also have a lot of broken links and they are ranking like crazy. I would also like an advice here because it seems that quality over quantity does not apply very well.

Pankage said:

I have the same problem in my niche - site has 30+ TF, but it has 30K backlinks and the top ones are chinese anchors/websites and that'a all spam - blog comments and that are not even close to begin relevant on the actual article and same goes for the articles, they also have a lot of broken links and they are ranking like crazy. I would also like an advice here because it seems that quality over quantity does not apply very well.

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I really have no idea, I see the same thing. I remember one time I did research on a website that was ranking for "clash of clash hack" and they had 200k links and their anchor text was 97% viagra and 3% clash of clans hack

I think if you have a aged domain the rules go out the window, you can spam it to death and it last a long time from what I see. I see many websites lasting 6+ months with pure spam.

asap1 said:

I really have no idea, I see the same thing. I remember one time I did research on a website that was ranking for "clash of clash hack" and they had 200k links and their anchor text was 97% viagra and 3% clash of clans hack

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Dude, that fucking shit is still ranking! This is the time when I remember how much I actually hate SEO

I have great idea, make a churn and burn.

Pankage said:

Dude, that fucking shit is still ranking! This is the time when I remember how much I actually hate SEO

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Yup its crazy man. I think im going to give churn and burn a go and see what happens.

mickyfu said:

I have great idea, make a churn and burn.

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Your a master at this shit, drop a few tips for us churn and burn noobs.

We already know build links as fast as possible, anything else?

that 97% viagra anchor text was negative seo and sometime the domain authority is strong enough so these link favour them instead of hurting

asap1 said:

Yup its crazy man. I think im going to give churn and burn a go and see what happens.

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This is the same reason I started testing around with churn and burn. I still don't really get it though, seems like a hit or miss. I have a few properties that it worked like a charm on and it's still sticking around after like 9 months. Pure GSA/comments/sape/fiverr socials, 80% exact match kw, and all 90% of these links are not there anymore but the site is still ranking and bringing in sales.

On the other hand, I still prefer to set up quality sites for the long term. C&B is just something to do when I'm taking a break from my normal work flow.

lilmasta said:

that 97% viagra anchor text was negative seo and sometime the domain authority is strong enough so these link favour them instead of hurting

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I think I remember reading somewhere about this site and how it was taking advantage of the fact that google can detect blatant neg seo attacks with these types of anchors, and so the owner of the site was mixing in his clash of titan words with the viagra on a lot of the anchors. I never really followed up on this though.

lilmasta said:

that 97% viagra anchor text was negative seo and sometime the domain authority is strong enough so these link favour them instead of hurting

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Hmm, but that goes against everything in SEO world. Strange

crazedspyker said:

This is the same reason I started testing around with churn and burn. I still don't really get it though, seems like a hit or miss. I have a few properties that it worked like a charm on and it's still sticking around after like 9 months. Pure GSA/comments/sape, and all 90% of these links are not there anymore but the site is still ranking and bringing in sales.

On the other hand, I still prefer to set up quality sites for the long term. C&B is just something to do when I'm taking a break from my normal work flow.

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Yeah, I had those as well. In some medium competition keywords worked like a charm, but when I try for some low or non existent competition, nothing happens loool So fucked up

asap1 said:

Your a master at this shit, drop a few tips for us churn and burn noobs.

We already know build links as fast as possible, anything else?

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One thing that has a good impact, is I don't buy the domain before I do the work.

Another thing I have been messing around with is buying old churner domains and 301ing them to my new site. This seems a little hit and miss

SEO is unpredictable and it will always be, There are no guarantees no proven methods, it is the second biggest myth after aliens and that is what i like about it, just when you think you have found a way to game the system and google decides to swing a punch sometime you duck and survive & sometime its a knockout.

Shaunm said:

This is a tortoise and the hair senario, they are build for speed but have many flaws, you are slow but trying to build for the long term.

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Yes I want my site to rank for long, not for 10 years but at least 2-3 years on top 3. Do you have any experiences on this?

potatoes said:

I would try to highjack their highest PR links if you're doing it manually. And check how much social marketing they have, if they're neglecting use of social signals and traffic growth for their ranking strategy then you will have an advantage in the long term.

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As I know PR had stop updating for years, and that is not really a good indication to a good link, however it do carry some weight. As for social marketing, if you see the image i post, they are no where near my social scores.. i did a lot of works on social media. I just not sure if social signal will help in SEO or not, as google said social signal is not a ranking factor, but some guys out there rank their site with purely social signal (forgot who), so I just include them as part of my plan, they won't harm my SEO effort for sure.

lilmasta said:

Both of your competitor sites have good TF for being a churn and burn project

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Yes that's what I was wondering about too, not sure how they get that high TF ...

UltraLink said:

Did you check their top 1,000 backlinks through majestic & ahrefs?


Do that and see if you can get a link from where they got one too.


Also, what's that competition checker? Is it SERPIQ?

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I did grab their backlinks and use scrapebox to check if the link still there, and then use GSA SER to post to those sites. The competition checker is Raventools. I was testing on them on trial.

asap1 said:

The sites have pretty good TF, are you sure these are churn and burn and not real authority domains?

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I had check with ahrefs.com, they have high anchor text percentage - main kw1 = 9%, main kw2 = 8%, and from other anchor text they used, it is clear they blast their root domain and pages with GSA SER (i used GSA SER and i know how the anchor text distribution will looks like). Do you think using GSA SER blast will help in TF increase?

Pankage said:

I have the same problem in my niche - site has 30+ TF, but it has 30K backlinks and the top ones are chinese anchors/websites and that'a all spam - blog comments and that are not even close to begin relevant on the actual article and same goes for the articles, they also have a lot of broken links and they are ranking like crazy. I would also like an advice here because it seems that quality over quantity does not apply very well.

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Exactly! Hope we are not fighting for the same niche! LOL

Pankage said:

Dude, that fucking shit is still ranking! This is the time when I remember how much I actually hate SEO

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I gave up blackhat linkbuilding with GSA SER and other tools some time ago and this is the reason! I read and test myself and people said C&B works and so I churn 5-10 sites with no success, and then I was like... dude this won't work! I hate SEO! LOL.. but now I just had to work again as I need to put some food on the table

Pankage said:

Hmm, but that goes against everything in SEO world. Strange




Yeah, I had those as well. In some medium competition keywords worked like a charm, but when I try for some low or non existent competition, nothing happens loool So fucked up

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The first 2 top rank site had a lot of gamble and porn links as well, this is against what I know about how google rank a site. Spammy and un-natural links, bulk, gamble and sex related links, high percentage of exact anchor text... This is just so weird.

lilmasta said:

SEO is unpredictable and it will always be, There are no guarantees no proven methods, it is the second biggest myth after aliens and that is what i like about it, just when you think you have found a way to game the system and google decides to swing a punch sometime you duck and survive & sometime its a knockout.

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That's suck but so true

By the way, at the same time I made a side project which is an ecommerce store selling the same service on my project 1, but this one I use pure C&B with 4 tiers of web2.0:

1. First tier 200+ web 2.0 properties, 30% main anchor text (3 kws), 50% LSI (30 kws) and 20% naked URL
2. Second tier 200+ web 2.0 properties, 100% LSI to Tier 1
3. Third tier 200+ web 2.0 properties, 100% LSI to tier 2
4. Fourth tier 200+ web 2.0 properties, 100% LSI to tier 3

The project had started 1 week, no kws rank yet.

I am pretty sure they have authority links.

Normal mass blast from GSA SER won't boost TF, but CF.

Have more digging in their profile, you should find a few high authority links.