Discussion in 'CPA' started by jaremore7, Aug 26, 2009.
It would only last so long. Those offers get shaved like 85% I'm sure of it... Good concept though, basically iframing a form for any offer and "mis representing" what the forms actually submit to...
Another possibility and something I'd like to try would be inserting it as part of the commenting process.
Are you human? Copy the numbers 55901. The only problem would be how would you code it so that by hitting submit it submits both the comment and the zip submit.
Dude you're from Rochester?
I used to live there, and am moving back soon
Anyway - I am almost sure that since publishers like ourselves have manipulated the system so much over the years that they tie the IP address to your zip code to verify you're not a bot or script. But, I do think that your method has some definite potential.
It would take me about 10-20 minutes to create a separate table in the database that displays geolocation/zip by their ip and then output reports that shows the disparity between the framed zip input and the actual users zip by ip. I imagine if I can figure out a workable concept they have something better in place considering that is their business.
Another flaw is that you will have a zero backout rate which will become quickly evident to the advertiser if you are doing any considerable volume.
Just explaining the reality of the situation.
This could definitely work on a warez site such as linking to warez on Rapidshare. Setup a basic site using wordpress from there make the theme a bit customized and then start adding the latest 0-day warez onto the site. From there throw your downloads on DDL type sites and wait a week or two to be indexed. Once you have been indexed make posts that say enter the captcha and click submit to receive your download link then do a simple redirect to the real download. Users get what they want and you get what you want which is cold hard cash. Don't underestimate warez sites. I have the power to build a warez site and within less than a month receive 10-50k traffic per day and that is just uniques not page loads also.
Absolutely great blackhat thinking, I love the concept, but unfortunately it will definitely not fly.
When we say it won't backup, we mean that the users will NEVER get the chance to continue through with the offer and complete the surveys and secondary offers that earn the advertiser money; instead, theyll just put in their zip and thats it. Trust me, all CPA networks catch on to this once they see you earned say 5k in a month and 0% of it backed out for the advertiser. Changing the %age of people who complete the offer, as you said, won't help at all - you will still drive lead that will never convert for the advertiser.
CPA is based on conversion. I don't care whether you are white hatting or black hatting. When you have 0% conversion you are going to be shaved heavily, kicked off the offer, or kicked off the network.
So iframing offers is not a really long term solution, is it? It's more like a short term way of making money (if you use CPA companies thay pay weekly and stuff like that), but with no long term expectations. Am i getting this 100% straight and right?
(Once again, thanks everyone who is more knowledgeable than me for giving some input)
most zip advertisers use fraud techniques such as a realtime geo lookup on the IP andthey compareit to the zip entered, if its a certain distance away it doesnt fire the pixel.
Also as someone else said youll end up with 0 value on the path for the advertiser who will just scrub the offer and everyone else on it. Your technique is why so many people complain about shaving on zip/email submits, the advertisers make up for your loss by scrubbing good pubs and you.
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