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How to make a killing out of ZIP submits

Discussion in 'CPA' started by jaremore7, Aug 26, 2009.

  1. jaremore7

    jaremore7 Registered Member

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    Hello everyone!!!!

    During the last months I have not been very active on my IM. I was way too busy enjoying my holidays in the beach :).

    Until now the only money I was making online was from CSing, but I got accepted on a few CPA networks and I had a few thoughts. I believe I have a very sweet idea on how to make a killing out of ZIP submits.

    This may be something that it has been used in the past, but as I said before I am quite new on this whole CPA business. So even though I´m claiming ownership on the idea, I have no clue if it has been done somwhere else.

    Cut the crap: Let´s get down to business.

    Points:
    1- ZIP codes in the states are a string of numbers.
    2- CAPTCHAS are a string of numbers, letters or a combination of both.
    3- Web users are used to fill in captchas in tons of websites a day.

    Using this principles I thought it would be a really cool idea if we could trick the user of a certain website to fill in a "captcha form" (when in reality it would a camouflaged ZIP submit).

    The plan would be the following:
    1- Find a suitable ZIP offer in any CPA network you have been approved
    2- Create a fake landing website (about any topic you want) and iframe the the input field and submit button
    3- Use PHP or actionscript (I know actionscript better) to pull ramdonly a zip code from a list and display it on screen a little bit dissorted, so it looks like a captcha.
    4- Drive traffic to your website
    5- Cash in.


    As I said before I have not tried this yet, but I have developed a small flash application that reads a txt file containing all the US zip files, pulls one randomly and displays it in a distorted way.
    This code could be optimized, so you could match the zip code being pulled with the IP of the user. DO YOU THINK THIS WOULD BE NECESSARY?

    The ZIP list can be downloaded from here.

    Question: Do CPA / Zip submit companis normally match the IP address of the user with the post code being input?

    Hope this helps guys.

    Take care!!!
     
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  2. bert6911

    bert6911 Registered Member

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    It would only last so long. Those offers get shaved like 85% I'm sure of it... Good concept though, basically iframing a form for any offer and "mis representing" what the forms actually submit to...
     
  3. Italian Hawk

    Italian Hawk Power Member

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    Another possibility and something I'd like to try would be inserting it as part of the commenting process.

    Are you human? Copy the numbers 55901. The only problem would be how would you code it so that by hitting submit it submits both the comment and the zip submit.
     
  4. ddub1218

    ddub1218 Newbie

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    Dude you're from Rochester?

    I used to live there, and am moving back soon :p

    Anyway - I am almost sure that since publishers like ourselves have manipulated the system so much over the years that they tie the IP address to your zip code to verify you're not a bot or script. But, I do think that your method has some definite potential.
     
  5. jaremore7

    jaremore7 Registered Member

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    Thanks all for the quick feedback. I appreciate it.

    A while ago using MaxMind free Geo IP database I created another flash application to geotarget banners. The application I built was focusing on different countries. But I guess it´s just question of getting a IP database of the States, to geo target the zip code being used.

    At the same time if you are driving traffic through CL or any other directories, you can always reduce the ZIP list to the CL city where you posted that ad. (ie if you post in New York City, just use NYC post codes...)
     
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  6. Whisker

    Whisker Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    It would take me about 10-20 minutes to create a separate table in the database that displays geolocation/zip by their ip and then output reports that shows the disparity between the framed zip input and the actual users zip by ip. I imagine if I can figure out a workable concept they have something better in place considering that is their business.

    Another flaw is that you will have a zero backout rate which will become quickly evident to the advertiser if you are doing any considerable volume.

    Just explaining the reality of the situation.
     
  7. MoreMoneyMoreProblem

    MoreMoneyMoreProblem BANNED BANNED

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    This could definitely work on a warez site such as linking to warez on Rapidshare. Setup a basic site using wordpress from there make the theme a bit customized and then start adding the latest 0-day warez onto the site. From there throw your downloads on DDL type sites and wait a week or two to be indexed. Once you have been indexed make posts that say enter the captcha and click submit to receive your download link then do a simple redirect to the real download. Users get what they want and you get what you want which is cold hard cash. Don't underestimate warez sites. I have the power to build a warez site and within less than a month receive 10-50k traffic per day and that is just uniques not page loads also.
     
  8. jaremore7

    jaremore7 Registered Member

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    If iframing and DMR tecniques work and are unnoticeable, I don´t see why this technique should be, if you manage to match ZIP submit with a real looking ip ....what would the problem be? I don´t see how can they check there is something wrong with it.

    About the flaw with a zero backout rate.....that has an easy fix by creating 2 landing pages, one where the iframed offer shows the submit field, and one where the submit field is hidden. You can create a simplistic function that decides what kind of percentage you want to be completed or not. This way you water down the number of completed zip submits.

    You have the power of getting such a huge amount of traffic, and I have already developed the flash code....... is anyone talking about a JV??? ;-) Drop me a message mate!
     
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    Absolutely great blackhat thinking, I love the concept, but unfortunately it will definitely not fly.

    When we say it won't backup, we mean that the users will NEVER get the chance to continue through with the offer and complete the surveys and secondary offers that earn the advertiser money; instead, theyll just put in their zip and thats it. Trust me, all CPA networks catch on to this once they see you earned say 5k in a month and 0% of it backed out for the advertiser. Changing the %age of people who complete the offer, as you said, won't help at all - you will still drive lead that will never convert for the advertiser.
     
  10. jaremore7

    jaremore7 Registered Member

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    Thanks for the explanation stealthisblog , now I understand why it will not succeed. (After all I stressed from the beginning that I have no idea on CPA as I´m a completely newbie on this).

    I was never sure on how the zip submits offers worked, and what happened after you submit it (I´ve just checked some the offers on the CPA I have signed for and see what you mean about the secondary offers....).

    I´ll need to think of a way of taking this concept and evolving it into something doable and profitable.

    One more thing, you stress on "you will still drive lead that will never convert for the advertiser"... is not wha iframing (using cakeslice or GodCPA) in general does? Is this the wrong practice to follow? Can it be done (not with this method, but with others more likeable to work) in a lower scale (say instead of making a grand a month in one advertiser, you make 200 dolars from 5)
     
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  11. newmanhia

    newmanhia Junior Member

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    CPA is based on conversion. I don't care whether you are white hatting or black hatting. When you have 0% conversion you are going to be shaved heavily, kicked off the offer, or kicked off the network.
     
  12. jaremore7

    jaremore7 Registered Member

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    So iframing offers is not a really long term solution, is it? It's more like a short term way of making money (if you use CPA companies thay pay weekly and stuff like that), but with no long term expectations. Am i getting this 100% straight and right?

    (Once again, thanks everyone who is more knowledgeable than me for giving some input)
     
  13. mkrongel

    mkrongel Registered Member

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    most zip advertisers use fraud techniques such as a realtime geo lookup on the IP andthey compareit to the zip entered, if its a certain distance away it doesnt fire the pixel.

    Also as someone else said youll end up with 0 value on the path for the advertiser who will just scrub the offer and everyone else on it. Your technique is why so many people complain about shaving on zip/email submits, the advertisers make up for your loss by scrubbing good pubs and you.