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How to Help Female Friend Get Back at Someone

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by dangregory, Jan 29, 2009.

  1. dangregory

    dangregory Registered Member

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    I have to say that as much as I've known my share of assholes in my life, nothing beats how nasty women can be to other women.

    A friend of mine is going through the worst situation with another woman right now. My friend is a writer and web publisher and she's actually somewhat famous in her own right. Very generous with her time and way to open to idiots in my opinion - she's too nice to people.

    She was the star of a discussion forum in her niche (she didn't own it, she contributed there) for a couple of years. The owners were a boyfriend/girlfriend pair who were nice to her for years. The woman led her on to make my friend believe that she was her number one supporter, yada yada. So my friend never had any reason to believe anything bad was going on.

    One day my friend (after much nudging from me) finally published her first ebook. I taught her a lot about online marketing and publishing because I was in the process of starting that up for myself, and I enjoyed helping her.

    She wanted to price the ebook really low. Keep in mind she's in a very popular niche that she's a genuine expert in, is a well known magazine writer and web writer on the subject, has done TV and radio appearances galore, etc. I told her her price was way too low. She wanted to charge 9.99. I said no freakin' way. Finally we compromised and she offered the 9.99 to people that were on her newsletter and to people she knew from this forum as a special sale for them. For everybody else she took my advice and charger $47. (Still too low in my opinion.)

    The moment she announced the special sale on the forum the woman who is the comod at that forum went batshit. Keep in mind these people had been telling my friend to write a book for years, lying and saying they were her biggest fans, etc. Now they absolutely crucified her for daring to charge money for a book she had written - and they were absolutely serious about this. Think of the worst hippie types you can imagine who think that the moment you charge money for something you're "selling" out - they type of shit.

    From then on they've sought to destroy her reputation on line in every way possible and have poisoned a lot of really trusting people. They've made up shit like saying my friend is a liar and a fake and can't be trusted, etc. etc. And this has poisoned a lot of potential readers in her demographic which is relaly upsetting her. It's really been a case of massive character assassination of my friend which she totally didn't deserve. And she basically disappeared from the net for a while because like I said, she's too nice and doesn't know how to fight back when something like this happens. It was utter betrayal from someone she thought was a close friend.

    So I want to do something evil on her behalf. The bitch who is the cause of all this has her own website, sells her own ebook (the hypocrisy!) and no longer has that forum where all the shit went down.

    What can I do that would provide justice in the situation? I don't want to implicate my friend in any way so I don't want anything to get traced back to her.

    The two directions of action I've been pursuing in my head are: a) spreading bad shit about this woman on the Net anonymously at forums, etc - reverse character assassination or b) just make her life miserable by Google bombing her site or something (I'm not very technical and I don't even know if that's the right term - but I'm thinking of doing some technical thing where her site would basically disappear online, which is what she deserves after what she did to my friend.

    What do you recommend?
     
  2. Gogeta

    Gogeta Power Member

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    Spam their forum with Xrumer. :)
     
  3. HaRRo

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    Id go the legal option and seek legal advice slander / libel, and make her publicly take back her fake words.
    Thats how it would best be, anything else will still hurt reputations either way.
     
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  4. virtualv

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    Too bad you don't know the other woman in person well enough to get into her house. You could take just a couple of little tiny shrimp and stick them inside the curtain rods. The smell will be so horrid that she won't be able to stay in the house, and she won't be able to find them to get them out...lol...old trick to play on the boyfriend (or girlfriend) that has broken up with you yet you haven't completely moved out yet! It would cause quite a "stink!" ;)

    OK...scuse me...I'm digressing...
     
  5. smileplease

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    Great comment, but how you know those methods amazes me...
     
  6. The Scarlet Pimp

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    ever read the book, 'get even' by george hayduke... :D

    there are many books on revenge that have some creative
    ideas. from the simple (shotgun shell up the tailpipe), to
    the complex (using high frequency pain generators to drive
    someone crazy).

    scott french also wrote one called, 'high-tech revenge' that
    has some good ideas... like the pain generator.

    i'll have to see if there is anything written about using the web... :D
     
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    better then rancid fish in the hub caps...
     
  8. teague

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    From another woman's point of view:
    1st, I'd get a domain and use the anonyomous option, so no one could find out who owned it.

    Then I'd find how the bitch is distributing her ebook, and
    either......publicly offer it for free on your new domain
    or........ rewrite it just a little bit, and then offer it for free

    Make sure that you've put as much 'tools' to work as possible, to out rank her website with yours.

    Then, I'd go the route Harro suggests for your friend.
     
  9. stinky_boy

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    Tell her story on the crap forum, but with a statement of your friend's side(don't use names, but regulars on forum will know). You need to have some post on there and make sure there's a "treasure trail" that someone can easily google to find her else where(have her own sales page and maybe forum[hire posters if possible to make it look busy]). Be sure to do this w/proxy. Blog it, twit, digg it. Keep it real.

    --or(not and)--

    If they are in the same city(not likely), small claims. She has lost potential revenue from libel.

    --or--

    Just focus on helping your friend to move on. Help her build her own page, marketing, etc. Having her own success can be the greatest revenge of all.
     
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  10. dangregory

    dangregory Registered Member

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    Hey, I never heard of the shrimp in the shower thing! I will have to file that away for future reference.

    My friend and her "frenemy" don't live in the same state, neither do I, so in person stuff won't work. Plus she's not worth wasting gas on, useless piece of crud that she is.

    Catching her in libel would be tricky. Basically since she and the boyfriend own that forum they went through a process of making tons of lying posts about my friend, which made the thousands of people on that site start believing the lies about her, and then the girlfriend had the comments deleted and now the whole forum is closed. So most of the damage was already done unfortunately.

    I'm still thinking of something technical I could do to her site - or her reputation. Much as I like to be white hat with most things I'd love to spam her site in the engines or something to get it delisted in Google - take her down a peg. We'll see.

    And yes in some ways it's a lesson for my friend not to be so nice to people and also to defend herself more - her choice was just to withdraw from that forum and those people instead of sticking around to defend herself. She probably should have fought more but she doesn't like wasting energy on online battles 'cause it's so kindergarten.

    Me, I'm still in kindergarten, so it's okay for me!

    Dan
     
  11. teague

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    Well, evidently I'm still in Kindergarten too, even tho I haven't seen that classroom since my son was there in 1987.

    Do what I suggested.

    Some people didn't read your post well enough. The forum is closed. They don't own it anymore.

    Take her money away......or make sure she doesn't make any money.

    Ruin the ebook she has.

    I know lots better ways than fish. That's for people that can still get in the house.

    And yes.......you're right, there's nothing like how nasty women can be to each other...........unless you take into account how nasty a woman can be to a man that cheated on her, of which I am an expert :yield:
     
  12. BuzzKill

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    There have been plenty of "How do I get revenge?" posts on this forum and they all end the same.

    If your friend is really taking a hit to the bank account or reputation from this, and you can prove it, then sue them. Keep in mind, you will need to pay for the attorney so that's probably $300 an hour. Proving that her reputation is really damaged is very difficult. Figuring out how much money and future earnings are lost is even harder.

    Revenge is like a tattoo. If you think you want it, wait a year and if you still want it, then go get it. More than likely you will see that it was just appealing at the time and you will be glad you didn't go through with it.

    Revenge is counter productive and many times just makes the situation worse, but you probably know that.

    Also, and this is a hunch.. the fact that you said "female friend" in the post implies that this is some sort of knight in shining armor thing. Don't go that route, there are plenty of better ways to save the maiden.
     
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  13. topsytips

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    Agreed. I've said it before on such threads and I'll say it again....SUCCESS is the greatest form of revenge!

    The best thing you can do is help your friends ebook/website succeed by promoting it, driving traffic to it, backlinks, social bookmarking etc and post positive comments about her and the book on similar niche forums.
     
  14. dangregory

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    Thanks for all the great comments and ideas, everyone.

    Actually this all went down a year ago.....and it's still a problem so that's why I've been thinking very seriously at this late date. Enough time has passed that I don't think any action I take could be traced back to my friend, so it actually might be a good time.

    Most of the "libel" is now happening via private emails, lists, and so forth - nothing publically posted so difficult to prove.

    And yeah its a knight in shining armor thing....this is actually a relative, not just a friend. So I've really seen firsthand the devastation and loss to her livelihood that went down and it drives me absolutely batshit.

    But I want to be smart about what I do.

    And also topsytips is right - success ultimately is the greatest revenge. My "friend' is somewhat coming back from all this but right now she's very shy about using all the incredible tools we use here (white hat ones I mean to promote herself online) because she never realized how much damage just one psycho bitch can do to a person. She really wasn't prepared for it and I haven't really known what to recommend/do accept be supportive and occasionally say "You want me to submit her site to porn sites for backlinks?" or whatever naive evil retribution idea comes to me.

    I tend to not do revenge normally so this is a new area for me. It's not about striking this woman on the personal level, more the professional/business/online level is what I'd like to do.

    Dan
     
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    Hey Dan,

    He who seeks revenge should remember to dig two graves
    - Chinese proverb

    Wise civilization the ancient Chinese.
    See if you get what they knew.

    For the sake of perspective, I will point out: that saying is refering to ultimate revenge.

    I still think that it is worth bearing in mind that when someone wrongs you, spending time lashing back, though a natural response, is your life wasted. No one matters so much in the total scheme of things that it is ever worth devoting your time to making anything happen to them. If they are truly wrong you can guarantee they will fuck their own life up for themselves. Revenge is time, effort and money, for your own goals, and your own development, that you'll never get back.
    Unless you can arrive at a strategy that would combine the two. Now that is badass.

    I think you don't so much want revenge as some form of justice... the problem is you also don't want to add to the bad feeling which was stirred up in that market.
     
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    Revenge is bad. Just find another challenge and move on. This is just another episode of life. Believe to your friend that she will be able to pass all of her bad situation. Also suggest your female friend to take communication skill course so she will have ability to fight back when something like this happen again.
     
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    Oh yeah...I should probably have added this old adage...

    Holding on to resentment is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die!!

    Think about it...
     
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    Is this an "online" enemy?
    You could destroy her life if you really wanted. Learn from anonymous.

    But if she hasn't done much harm, just /ignore.
     
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    this is the route id go with too. you cant just drag someones name through the mud and cost them money and embarrassment without some facts to support it. this is the best way to get back any credibility you lost. get legal counseling and slap the with a law suit.
     
  20. dangregory

    dangregory Registered Member

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    I don't know if people saw this part, but the problem is that the stuff this woman did was posted at the forum for a while, then she deleted it all. And now the defaming is mostly happening via private emails and the rumor mill. So she started a shitstorm but I don't think there are any ways to pursue legal retribution since my friend doesn't have screenshots of everything that went down. You'd need to have all the stuff she posted at the forum as evidence and it's gone. Unless you can get it through some sort of cache? But it's on a private forum.

    Dan