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How to go Viral - Theory: Use/maintain high link velocity to avoid sandbox?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by TheInternetViking, Aug 22, 2009.

  1. TheInternetViking

    TheInternetViking Junior Member

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    BHW Members,

    I have been wondering about link velocity and I would like your opinion. Obviously, a big part of Black hat seo is to be able to build more links and rank higher than your white hat competition. Of course, being able to do this faster is where the black hat part of the operation comes in.

    So I have seen from other forum threads that if you build links too quickly (or faster than "natural", whatever that is), then you get stuck in the fabled Google Sandbox as a penalty.

    This is a rather relative question, so I am very interested for those who have some serious experience to share.

    What exactly is natural to Google? What about sites that go viral and get tons views (like that stupid Casey Serin bastard or plenty of other viral examples).

    Is Google somehow able to take into account if you get headlined by a bigname website and your traffic jumps from 10 uniques a day to 10k uniques that is normal?

    How can we, as black hatters, replicate this?

    Part of this must be the foot print that your links leave. If you just use Xrumer or SEO Link Pro only to build links, then Google might get suspicious because they all look like the same type of links.

    What about if you use something social blaster and get thousands of links and traffic from social networks?

    How are these different from "Normal" link building?

    Can you use something create "buzz" around your site on the social networks (like socialbaster), so that it looks "normal" to be getting tons of traffic to a brand new site? And then the spam the hell out of your site at the same time with Xrumer or SLP or similar?

    The concept or theory that I am proposing or questioning then is:

    Get a high link velocity at the beginning and then avoid the "sandbox" by maintaining that high link velocity.

    The caveat seems to be that it needs to be a variety of different types of links: social, forum, article, video, ect.

    Could you use this strategy to blast off a new site at the beginning and then maintain it that way?

    This seemed like a provocative idea / discussion, so I would like your input. If you feel like this was a useful thread, please hit that "thanks" button.

    Thank you in advance,
    ~The Internet Viking~
     
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  2. TheInternetViking

    TheInternetViking Junior Member

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    From research on the Internet, it seems that my idea for getting and maintaining a high link velocity would be valid.

    Can anybody substantiate this?

    If you have a new site and get a nice variety of backlinks at a rate of a few thousand a day, and you did that for 4-6mos to get past the Sandbox, and then let it level off a bit, would you be penalized?

    Your input is appreciated.
    Thanks,
    ~The Internet Viking~
     
  3. _Austin

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    I could see how this would work if the site was getting a lot of buzz on the social network and a Google engineer, or other search engine engineer, came across the site and put some kind of exemption in their algorithm for the site. This way their crawlers wouldn't demerit the site because it is getting a lot of back links because those backlinks would be from social sites, blogs, blog comments, trackbacks, Digg, Slashdot, etc.

    Once this initial hit happens you could start mass promoting on Youtube, it would probably need to be a decent quality video collection, then post those videos to forums as well as links referencing how it's being talked about on Digg/other social sites. Then you could probably get away with spreading mass amounts of articles for link backs... on goes this process and you start submitting those articles to directories and such.

    _Austin
    * just brain storming.
     
  4. TheInternetViking

    TheInternetViking Junior Member

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    @Austin,

    Thank you for your reply. I agree with you. I think that if you could start out strong (probably best with social networks) without looking too spammy, it might work.

    I am *that* close to buying socialbaster for just that reason. I just want to see one of the "Pro-Spammers" here on the forum get it and use it first to tell me if it is as good as it looks or if it is just hype.

    My thought is that if you could get a good link velocity going with Social Blaster, then it would look like you were going Viral to the Big G. Then, at the same time, could hammer it with SENuke or SEO Link Pro or Xrumer without making as much of a difference because you were already getting tons of Social backlinks, so what's a few more from other sources (ones that will actually stick).

    Any other Pros out there want to chime in?

    We need somebody with some experience to contribute to our discussion.
    Thanks,
    ~The Internet Viking~