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How to find out who is doing NEG SEO on your site!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by G-S-T, May 5, 2013.

  1. G-S-T

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    I decided to put this together after suffering at the hands of this shit for the last 12 months. I have dominated my niche for the last 12 months now, its not been easy and its been far from cheap too. I have been through 5 sites that have each had over $10,000 spent on SEO. I have also had a few throw away sites that I use for throwaway marketing. With the SEO sites, each one would dominate Google for a multitude of keywords, then all of a sudden they just dropped off the face of the earth. Most people would say "Algo change, deal with it" - Thankfully we have tools to confirm or deny this, the most simple of which is tracking the number of inbound links to your site. Its no coincidence that the total loss of Google rankings is in direct correlation to your site suddenly getting 12,000 links per day to your homepage. I'm a big fan of Karma, I believe that what goes around comes around, so I dont fuck with neg SEO, but it got to the point where I actually am considering giving Karma a helping hand.

    With that in mind, I decided that the most Karmic way to go about this would be to tell people how to catch the assholes that think its cool to just fuck with peoples sites and take short cuts to success.

    Im doing this using tools that I already have access too, there may be other tools to do this, I am just using what I have already.

    So here goes. Most of us will use some kind of rank tracking tool, I use serpbook. Once a day I have a quick look to see how my ranks and and see if any extra effort is required for certain keywords.

    Here is one from one of my sites that ranks well :

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    As you can see, all is good in the hood.

    What would you do if all of a sudden your rankes looked like this (taken from a different site that was recently fell victim to neg seo) :

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    This site had less than 1000 inbound links for over 2 months and ranked solid for all of its 24 keywords. Then within a week it received 20,000 links and vanished.

    Its no big deal, I was expecting it to happen anyway. After all, this is site number 5 to get a high profile. Its painful to look at the top 20 sites and see how many of them are a total rip off of my original responsive wordpress theme. When I first started this niche, I noticed that a lot of my traffic was from mobile browsers, so I made sure my site used responsive CSS, for the first couple of months the new sites that popped up where all bespoke. Then when my first site got bowled, I noticed that 3 sites popped up that all used my theme and just changed the creative on the landing page. It wasnt hard to figure out that I had my own troll.

    Back to today. So once you notice that your site is getting bowled, what do you do? There isnt really jack shit you can do to stop this happening to you. There is however the option of tracking down whoever is doing this to you and then taking matters into your own hands. So without further a do, here is my method for tracking them down.

    Its not 100% foolproof, but it will find the culprit in most cases.

    First thing I do is Google for my main keyword (the most competitive) and make a list in notepad of the top 20 ranked sites (I tend to exclude youtube videos, articles and blog posts, but do take a look to see if they are directly promoting a competitors site) then go through my secondary keywords and look for other sites. I use this tool to remove any duplicates from the list. My list looks something like this :

    domain1.com
    domain2.com
    domain3.com

    Once I have listed all the competitors sites, I can import them into serpbook using the bulk import function, like this :

    domain1.com:main money keyword
    domain2.com:main money keyword
    domain3.com:main money keyword

    Then you can play around with the results and sort the data by various columns. First thing is to sort them by Google rank, then you can look at the number of inbound links and see what the link profiles are like for each site. Use the data to draw some preliminary conclusions. I generally start with the site that has got the highest number of backlinks, then take that url and put it into ahrefs site explorer and see what we get :

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    From the data in the graph we can see that somebody started blasting this site on the 1st of may, after a couple of days they noticed their efforts had paid off and then stopped the neg SEO and moved onto the next victim.

    Generally, what gets done to 1 gets done to all of the assholes competitors. So you will quickly see a pattern starting to develop when you evaluate the other sites in your niche. Then you will see 1 site that stands out, because it ranks well, is pretty new and has a low number of inbound links.

    Then ask yourself, how is a new site with 400 inbound links ranking 6th and the entire top 20 has got over 100k spammy links pointing to them, that where all created over a short period of time, round about the same date. Hmmmm, some will argue link quality and say that the new site just has awesome high PR links to it. I cant deny that the quality of links plays a huge factor in ranking well. But this also proves that link quality plays a huge factor in ranking badly.

    So, now you have found your culprit, or at least who you think it is, its time to go sniffing around their site for links to other sites, see what else is on their server and if it can further incriminate them.

    Then... Well, the rest is upto you. But thats how to find them. There will be cases where this wont be 100% accurate and innocent people could get caught up in the crossfire, so if you decide to take any kind of action against this individual, make sure you are 100% certain that you have the right person.

    One possible course of action would be to reach out to them and tell them they have been busted and cut the shit, because its just going to cause a tit for tat mentality and everyone will lose.
     
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  2. mikie46

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    I dont know what your so upset about but deal with it. My sites have suffered the same fate for jealous people. Try 70k of backlinks to two keywords in less than a week. Would you like to see my graphs? Then within a couple weeks the site dropped to page 20 and there it stayed until i diluted the keywords. Now its back on page 3 but its the pits and im got over it building sites daily. Soon i will have hundreds of sites ranking and they can trying blasting my sites which will be much harder to do.
     
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  3. G-S-T

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    So you read to first paragraph and decided to respond.

    Pull your head out of your fucking arse bro.

    This is to help people who have been neg seo victims.

    If you dont have anything constructive to add, GTFO
     
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    Thanks G-S-T for this helpful information. Once you find out who is doing this shit, the do the same to them:

    "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction".
     
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    Oops it was a typo on the first line.

    I said, I dont know what your so upset about but deal with it.

    but what i missed the I and it should have said, I dont know what your so upset about but I deal with it.
     
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    I wish there was a way to find out who it is... can you contact the webmasters of the sites with the links and give them $100 to dig up some info? Is that even possible?
     
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    That's the dirty game. Just deal with it. If you continue this will happen again and again. Doesn't matter if you try to hurt your opponents or not.
     
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    Will come handy to my research. I know how it feels being victim of neg seo. Will use these tips to proceed further. Thanks :)
     
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    Excellent guide - I've tried something like this in the past.. but found it difficult to pinpoint the attacker. I suspected that they were once ranking well, but eventually got de-indexed, so they were trying to get some revenge.
     
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    People.. stop telling him to "Deal with it". lmao HE IS DEALING WITH IT. This post is showing you how he deals with it.

    Great Stuff. I had a thought like this a while back but your is better :)
     
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    Cheers G-S-T, some good solid info on how to find the most likely culprit... of course it could always be some douche that's not even ranking top 10, or not even involved in the niche yet, but just seeing what kind of damage can be done... crying shame this is what google has turned SEO into. But if the shoe fits, at least pay back is an option.
     
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    I got hit the same way.

    So sick of google.... I gave up on SEO all together for now. It's a long and risky investment that can get f%cked up in 1 day (negative SEO / Google update) - it's just dumb to keep depending on google for all your traffic.


    Google need to create a tool that let's webmasters turn on/off any new links that come in. So if you are not building links and you know you won't be getting quality links, all links that are built just don't get counted. Something like that.


    So have you made your mind up? Will you be giving him some karma? :)

    edit;
    I'd like to note that in my case it was probably one of the people I outsourced my SEO to. So be VERY careful who you outsource to.
     
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    I have not experienced Neg SEO on any of my websites yet, but this shows that this ugly tactic does exist.
    It is better if the accused complies and stops it or else it is going to be an eye for an eye.
    +Rep GST.

    cheers
    CT


    Edit: Dang You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to G-S-T again.
     
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  14. G-S-T

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    I have something better than Karma bro, a pretty much unlimited budget and a solid ROI every time, so I just double up and double up and double up on sites each time and destroy his spirit with wads of cash :)

    I think the more attention that gets paid to this subject the better, eventually Google will see that this shit has to come to an end. *crosses fingers*
     
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  15. G-S-T

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    Exactly, a very wise old man once said "an eye for en eye makes the whole world blind"
     
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    The situation you're in is quite hard to deal with. However, what I would do is track my bcklinks and immediately remove the bad links pointing to my site.

    You may also look into your competitor sites and check on them (obviously one of these sites are doing this to you). I suggest you make a thorough SEO review of their site and if in anyway you see that they have been doing black hat, you may actually report he site to Google.
     
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    Nice strategic method G-S-T.. Very well laid out.
     
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    This is in no ways a 100% way to find out, as you already mentioned in the OP. So it's kinda like a lie detector test. It's not that reliable lol.

    People will always do 'neg seo' but in the end usually your site will be fine bro.
     
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    Seriously? So crappy SB links can tank a site that had thousands of $ in SEO work? I thought that this kind of stuff only worked on weak, young sites that are thin on content. Anyway, good tut...thanks man.
     
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    thanks! i knew whois lookups for ip and domain, but never that you can lookup all sites on a single ip.

    and whois lookups can be used to get contact details. if he has customers, perhaps alerting them would be a good idea.

    solid post!
     
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