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How to earn money from PBN website

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  1. casperl

    casperl Regular Member

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    I am planning to build my PBN websites. But my aim is to earn money from them. I think this has two benefits:

    1. PBN webties will look more natural. They will have real traffic and look like real websites.
    2. PBN websites will pay for themselves.

    For these PBN websites, I am planning to target long tail keywords related to my niche.
    And I plan to earn from CPC.
    And regarding CPC, I only know Adsense. The problem with adsense is the footprint. I can not use my own address or bank account to get payment.

    So what can I do to earn money from CPC in this way? As far as I see there are two alternative paths:

    1. Find a way to hide your identity from Adsense and get paid.
    2. Use alternative CPC ad networks

    So what are your suggestions and how can I achieve 1 or 2.
     
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    3. open blogpost service
     
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    casperl Regular Member

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    What do you mean with blogpost service?
     
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    Ok. I guessed that. But I will use my PBN for money sites and will not make it public by selling links.

    Any ideas? I am sure that some of you have a solution to this.
     
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    Find affiliate programs that pay you commission, host banner and sidebar ads, collect emails and send them deals from affiliate sites, post review articles with products from affiliate sites, etc.

    Just be creative.
     
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    There are a lot other CPC programs out there, like Chikata and Medias, Infolinks etc, CPA, buysellads e.g. If your PBN can pay for themselves, that would be cool I think cuz these days, maintaining a PBN is costly, let alone, you want a better one.
     
  8. codeman1234

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    Dude if you guessed then why you ask?

    What you mean not make it public by selling links? Are you using this PBN only on your money sites or what you mean? Dude is very simple either you make a BHW service selling PBN links or you use that PBN to rank your own money sites, you decide but, don't over think it because those 2 options are basically the greatest value that PBN have so, there is not too much left to choose from.
     
  9. casperl

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    I guessed that after posting my message.

    Yes I will use them only for my money site. They will be like little money sites. If each website can make $20 per month, I think that is more than enough.

    I don't want to sell PBN posts here. I think it is the wrong path. Whatever you do to hide yourself, you are making yourself a target for G. I don't think that it is a long term approach.
     
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    What exactly do you mean by a PBN network?
    Creating a network of web 2.0 with interlinking each other backlink to anchor text so it will pass the link juice?
    Did i get it right?
     
  11. codeman1234

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    But, man how many money sites you want to have? How much money you want to do? The best path for you is for you to do small affiliate and use your PBNs to rank them and this way you can easily reach your target of 20$ per month.
     
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    Yeah man, he is too confusing! Need more details man!
     
  13. casperl

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    Assume that I have a money site about python programming language (e.g. mypython.com). Now assume that there are two main keywords I want to rank for 'python tutorial' and 'python programming'. Assume that these keywords are 10000+ monthly searches excluding related long tail keywords. Now I will open 10 PBN website for each of these target keywords. So I will have 20 websites.

    I plan to use both expired domains and EMDs (e.g. python-programming.com) for PBN websites. They will wordpress blogs having CPC ads on them.

    I assume that I will earn enough money from CPC on them to pay for their own expenses (domain + hosting + seo)

    So what will I get more: I will place backlinks to my main money site (e.g. mypython.com) from PBN (e.g. 1-2 contextual links from each PBN website) and possibiliy rank for same (or more) keywords there too.

    I hope that it is clear now.

    Which problems do you see with this plan? I believe that it is not unrealistic. But I think it is more difficult than buying an expired domain and putting a few articles with a backlink to money website. This make it less scalable but more secure in my opinion.
     
  14. codeman1234

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    First of all man, thanks for the details it is really appreciate.

    Now there some questions I have that are the following:

    1) Do you know which competitors are on those 100k+ searches keywords? Are they beatable? Do you think 20 PBN would be enough to beat them?

    2) Are you using new domain for money site or aged domain?

    3) Are you sure about using CPC on PBN? is not recommendable, because if you do, your PBN will be exposed and wont send as much juice to money site.

    4) What is the main target of money site? Sell advertising? Sell affiliate courses for python?

    5) Do you know how to setup PBNs? So, it does not leave any footprints for Google to catch you?

    6) How much money you want to expend on each expired domain? Remember this are bought on auction most likely!

    7) Are you doing the SEO or is someone else doing it? I ask because you put that as a cost!

    8) Do you know how to buy expired domains for PBNs?

    9) Are you writing content or it will be outsource?

    Plan is not unrealistic at all, is very doable but, for that to happen you first need to answer me and yourself those questions, also you need to know what budget you got, because the main problem I see with your plan is the quantity of content you will need to do, since you are not only want to provide this for money site but, you want to create same thing for PBN's which in my opinion is pretty dumb and I think that because there is no need for that, you can search on Google and find easily 20 hostings for your PBN at 1$ / month or 12$ / year and use this PBNs to rank your money site and put there all the CPC you want and earn money from that because the hosting is a joke if you search right, the most cost would come from expire domains since it seems you are looking for very powerful domains that can cost hundreds of dollars but, the big if relays on the content if you produce it or if you will outsource because for what you say seems that you required quality content which is expensive.
     
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    Too many questions :)

    I am not an SEO expert and I am not doing this full time. I have an authority forum (DR 50+). And it did not become authority because of SEO. I was interested to develop quality content and earn from it. 4-5 years ago, I was earning XXXX dollars monthly using CPM ads. Now it is in XXX level. Why did I lose my position? I had to focus on other things in my life. So my goal is to regain my position with quality content and SEO. I think this summary explains many of your questions (my experience, goal etc.).

    1) Do you know which competitors are on those 100k+ searches keywords? Are they beatable? Do you think 20 PBN would be enough to beat them?

    Since this is a forum, I think I should focus on regaining position for long tail keywords. Because I think my traffic was coming from long tail search. But why shouldn't I try those kind of keywords at the same time... The numbers are just examples, based on what I read, 20 should not be enough.

    Main competitor is stackoverflow :)

    2) Are you using new domain for money site or aged domain?

    10+ years.

    3) Are you sure about using CPC on PBN? is not recommendable, because if you do, your PBN will be exposed and wont send as much juice to money site.

    So far, I only tried CPC and CPM. I did not try other forms. So my view may be limited.

    4) What is the main target of money site? Sell advertising? Sell affiliate courses for python?

    CPM. I work with an excellent ad network for my niche. All I need is to achieve previous levels of traffic.

    5) Do you know how to setup PBNs? So, it does not leave any footprints for Google to catch you?

    I am aware of issues. I plan to start with EBN to prevent mistakes.

    6) How much money you want to expend on each expired domain? Remember this are bought on auction most likely!

    I have started scraping expired domains with Scrapbox EDF. As far as I see, I can find them good domains for my niche. But I should test. I did not start building my PBN.

    7) Are you doing the SEO or is someone else doing it? I ask because you put that as a cost!

    At the moment, I am doing it myself. I am testing several services here. It looks like gaining traffic it much harder now. ~4 years ago I achieved 10x traffic with just high quality manual niche forum links. As far as I see they don't work now :)

    9) Are you writing content or it will be outsource?

    Outsourced.

    > Plan is not unrealistic at all, is very doable ....

    I can see your point better now. I started to think that it is not a good idea. :)

    I am open to your suggestions about regaining position for my long tail keywords (thousands). :)
     
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  16. codeman1234

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    Yeah, I know I ask too many questions :D but, for a business to work you need to ask them to yourself since there a lot of ifs on this business that need to be solved.

    I understand you are not an SEO and yes your approach is correct since good content would always get you better SEO because if the information is worth sharing people would share it and most important if your information is good and interesting then people would add your link when they talk to a similar subject as a contribution that will always help your SEO. Also, I think you are right that you start lose business because you stop providing what essentially people would follow you for and end up to a lot of webmaster's removing those links or even worst you stop people from sharing your content.

    1) In my opinion for long tail keywords the best way to rank them is adding those keywords on your content since your website is already about that main topic and Google would get that and start ranking you back if you continue getting that good content and be constant and by doing that you will also hit main keywords since them are a variation from the long tail ones. You can also add PBNs to help out but, I don't think is necessary since if your platform is a forum you will have lots of users creating constant content on the daily basis that they will also add your forum to their sites and make it look natural like Google loves ;) but, hey is my opinion and you are free to do what you like but, if it was me I will do that for like 2 or 3 months if I don't see rankings raise then would start the PBN approach. And about your competitor even if he is a big fish there so, many keywords that you can over rank him in lots of them if you follow this steps since Google will see your information more precise than theirs if the content has that quality so, don't be scare of them.


    2) With that domain age and having already history you have nothing to worry about, good work :D

    3) As I said before, I think that is a poor approach since your PBNs would be exposed and competitors would see them which is never good to allow. About CPC and CPM you should research more on that and see what is the best form for you and in what you are offering.

    4) If you know this and worked for you then forget comment about this on previous question and only focus on reaching that traffic.

    5) If you are a beginner to making PBNs then here is a link that help me when I was a beginner to learn how to build them: http://lionzeal.com/pbn-guide/

    6) Good approach, and if I were you when you add PBN links to money site remember to do it slow, don't rush on that so, you don't raise any flags.

    7) Well, just becareful with the services specially if you don't know how them can affect your site positively or negatively, I personally would start checking competitors backlink's related to my niche and try to figure out why they rank and how to use those links before using any services and don't get me wrong I am not saying is a wrong approach or services are bad but, what I am saying that is better first to try to understand how it works for them first.

    9) Then if content is outsource, as I recommended before I would not try to get CPC ads on PBNs because the amount of money you will need to invest to get that traffic in 20 blogs for that quality content could be completely out of budget and I would focus on using that quality content on money site and not such a great content on PBN (not spin content just cheaper one and always unique of course)


    About suggestions about ranking on long tail keywords, what I would do since your platform is a forum is create like 30 post topics related to those topics so, for example let's say your post category is "Python" and you are looking to rank on keywords "how to learn python in 30 days", "learning python as a newbie", "why learn python", "why use python on my website" and lets say 50 more long tail keywords more, then on every post I would try to make a thread post with content that would answer all this common long tail searches including them also in content and by doing the same on 30 post topics you can cover over 1500 long tail keywords by just doing that people would share your information and getting you links from other webmaster's but, to make it more effective I would do this posts as a type of tutorial or guide for people looking for that and even put it as a sticky post on forum like BHW does with many tutorials for beginners and this way it will grow alone even without PBNs.

    Please remember I am not saying that BHW services or PBNs are wrong to use at all, I am just saying that in your case I don't think is the main solution, that they could be add to help but, in my opinion you don't need that right now, I would think about that approach after 6 months of doing this and if I see not great results on those 6 months.

    I know I talk a lot but, I am just trying to help you out because I been there where you are, asking lots of questions and having a lot of doubts on my business that as you someone on this forum help me at the time and I am just trying to give back to the BHW community the help I got at the time.

    Hope it helps!
     
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    Thanks for the suggestions. I will start without ads and think about cost later. I always try to solve many problems at once. I will focus on creating PBNs and improving ranks.

    "Sticky overview thread" idea is nice. I will use that idea. I was planning to do that as forum description at the top of each forum (e.g. a forum description with reference to ~10 top threads). But if I use stickies too, I can link to much more threads and increase "Pages / Session".
     
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    Hey no problem, I been there where you are and believe me I always had the same problem that you have trying to focus on a thousands things instead focusing at the task at hand which is what makes me money, once you realize this everything is a lot easier.

    I am just glad I help you and give back to the BHW community!
     
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