1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

How to Corner a Market Niche (2 Sites or 4?)

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Pripod, Apr 5, 2011.

  1. Pripod

    Pripod Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2010
    Messages:
    210
    Likes Received:
    35
    Occupation:
    Advertising
    Location:
    Backpack
    Recently I found some new domains that may be profitable under the "how to" sector. After doing some registering, I realized that I had come up with two paired versions of the same "how to". For example, if this niche was based on "feeding bananas to primates"

    I now own the following:

    1) feedmonkeysbananas-com
    2) howtofeedmonkeysbananas-com

    &

    3) feedapesbananas-com
    4) howtofeedapesbananas-com

    Seeing that there is room to own the niche in time, I can't decide whether to redirect the URLs as follows:

    howtofeedmonkeysbananas-com 301 redirects to: feedmonkeysbananas-com

    howtofeedapesbananas-com 301 redirects to feedapesbananas-com

    Or.... just to split the websites into 4 different sites covering the niche. If I do this, I will certainly want to make all of the website WP themes look different, rewrite each of the 100+ how to articles, and get different supporting images.

    Regarding hosting, will I want to put all 4 on different hosting accounts, or do anything else to disguise the fact that the 2x or 4x sites are actually from the same source? As well, does everyone recommend 2x site or turning it into 4x sites? Overall, I want to do a legitimately good Grey Hat job, without stretching myself too thin. =)
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2011
  2. allblueskys

    allblueskys Junior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2011
    Messages:
    100
    Likes Received:
    39
    I actually stumbled upon a similar situation today. Im interested in seeing what others respond.

    I couldnt help but buy a hand full of domains and dont know which is best to develop.
     
  3. scb335

    scb335 BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2008
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    438
    Not sure if this really applies and will be helpful, but's it's how I attack niches and deals with multiple sites and domains so I'll share and hope you get something from it.

    When I enter a niche I want to dominate it. So I build a lot of sites within the niche, not just my main money site. I'll also build a niche article directory, a faux-news type site related to the niche or industry, 1 to 3 different blogs under pseudonyms who are enthusiastic about the niche, a pligg site devoted to the niche, a directory site devoted to the niche, and so on...If my main money site is selling a one-off product, then I'll also create a static site or two with niche related mini-courses (auto-responder sequences). Once I start making a little money in the niche, I'll also add a niche forum too. Usually I try to buy one that's related to the niche and already established as it's easier than starting from scratch with a forum, but if I have to start from scratch I'll pay to get members and posts populating the forum early on and start the ball rolling.

    Then I'll do Web 2.0's (squidoo and etc.) and article marketing and backlinking for all of them to grow them each, with the end goal being to own the niche and eventually funnel all of the traffic back to my main money site.

    I've done this in several niches now, I've tested it using all different hosting providers and putting all of the sites on a single VPS using the same NameServers/IPs for every site, and I haven't noticed any actual benefit or penalty either way, meaning my experience makes me believe there's no justification for using different hosts or worrying about IP's. But that's just my opinion based on my experience and assuming you will have completely unique and good content on each site.

    So, my opinion is use the domains for multiple sites. Be creative with them, even if they're similar you can usually still find different themes to build your content from. For example, lets say I had the domains GreatWeddingMusic-com and GreatWeddingSongs-com, well, I know people searching for "wedding music" are more likely to be seeking out band or DJ info while people searching for "wedding songs" are still more likely in information or idea-gathering mode, so even though the domains are similar there's still plenty of room and reason for building 2 very different sites on them.

    Anyway, hope that helps.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 7
  4. Autumn

    Autumn Elite Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2010
    Messages:
    2,197
    Likes Received:
    3,041
    Occupation:
    I figure out ways to make money online and then au
    Location:
    Spamville
    I would go for separate 4 domains myself with the idea of spreading the risk and spreading your keyword real estate. Just doing a 301 redirect from one to the other isn't really going to add anything to the equation if the 301'd domain isn't already established with its own link juice.

    I'd host the two domains in each niche on different hosts, different templates, articles, keywords, whois data, backlink structures and with absolutely minimal interlinking between them.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  5. drey2k

    drey2k Power Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2009
    Messages:
    551
    Likes Received:
    169
    Occupation:
    Finance guy
    Location:
    USSR 1943
    funny... I stumbled upon this myself too. Except my keywords are extremely similar, they are literally split by one non-critical word... not sure what to do.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  6. theviralguy

    theviralguy Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2008
    Messages:
    970
    Likes Received:
    290
    Location:
    BC
    +rep + thanks for great signature and definitely the best avatar on here. this is our year bro!!!
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  7. Pripod

    Pripod Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2010
    Messages:
    210
    Likes Received:
    35
    Occupation:
    Advertising
    Location:
    Backpack
    Thanks for all of the great feedback Autumn and scb335!!!!

    One Last Question: Before building the these supporting pages and 2.0 linking, do you recommend that I develop the content for the for the top 4x informational content blogs and then slowly work my way down from there?

    Many Thanks!!! -Pri
     
  8. drey2k

    drey2k Power Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2009
    Messages:
    551
    Likes Received:
    169
    Occupation:
    Finance guy
    Location:
    USSR 1943
    No doubt, long live the twins!
     
  9. polocolto

    polocolto Regular Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2009
    Messages:
    241
    Likes Received:
    28
    How do you interlink them? Do you send links from your main site to the others and back to your main site or just one way links to your main site?
     
  10. Ravasz

    Ravasz Registered Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2011
    Messages:
    60
    Likes Received:
    7
    Location:
    EU
    Great in depth response SCB! Will look into applying this concept in my own niche!
     
  11. partymarty4870

    partymarty4870 Elite Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2010
    Messages:
    2,034
    Likes Received:
    1,690
    Location:
    I come from a land downunder
    Here's my little twist I'm playing with at the moment.

    I would set up one or two of the sites as Autoblogs. Join the free program at SEOLinkvine or similar and sign up for the free content. it will publish straight to WP.

    Set it to receive as many articles a day as it can. The site will now grow by itself with a link to your site on every page.

    The original owners of these articles seem to hunt them down and backlink them as well. So they build the backlinks for you.

    Since last update the Big G seems to like sitewide footer or sidebar links. I haven't got enough evidence to say this is a fact and it may not be the case from WP blogs but footer links from bigger sites that are all html or php seem to have more weight than they used to.
     
    • Thanks Thanks x 1
  12. Pripod

    Pripod Regular Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2010
    Messages:
    210
    Likes Received:
    35
    Occupation:
    Advertising
    Location:
    Backpack
    Thanks so much for the feedback you wonderful people! I was hoping to ask for help with one last question.

    Q: What is the most cost effective way to separate 4 different sites on different hosting so that Google or anyone else wont be able to pick up on it?
     
  13. wholesalereplica

    wholesalereplica BANNED BANNED

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2010
    Messages:
    692
    Likes Received:
    247
    well there are certainly at least 2 free ones in the web hosting section here at BHW, one is hostable.com

    then these

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/web-hosting/290038-free-one-year-hosting-no-strings-attached.html

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/web-hosting/294375-amazing-free-web-hosting.html

    so thats 3 free hosting deals then for the other one just use your normal host