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How to calculate how many PBN sites you need?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by crazyhat, Jun 26, 2015.

  1. crazyhat

    crazyhat Registered Member

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    Im trying to figure out how many PBN sites would be needed. Is there a way to analyze the local niche to see how many PBN site you should build to get to page one and or the local 7 pack?

    Im guessing a factor would be the quality of ur domains as well. So in that case say you are buying domains from accelerator_dd.

    Do you think there is way to get a ballpark of how many PBN sites you would need?
     
  2. BreaknBrix

    BreaknBrix Power Member

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    PBN's have NOTHING to do with ranking in the local pack. Anyone who tells you that has no idea what they're talking about. The local pack is all about proximity, citations and reviews. Your site can rank #10 but if you have enough of those you'll dominate the pack.

    As for how many PBN sites... totally depends on the niche.

    In my experience, it can take anywhere between 40-80 domains (not links, domains).

    And obviously, don't make all your links PBN. For every 1 PBN link I buy or get from my own network, I'll build like 6-10 web2.0, contextuals, citations, etc.
     
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    acidol2 Supreme Member

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    This. Just gonna have to experiment with the number of PBN links you throw at it to see where it gets you my dude.
     
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  4. tony_d

    tony_d Elite Member

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    I came here to leave a sarcastic reply and then say that there is no formula, but what you've suggested I think is actually quite a reasonable ratio. But I wouldn't prescribe it as a formula. Just a rule of thumb...

    People need to think for themselves. And IM, as any other corner of the world, has its share of people who can't or won't think for themselves.
     
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  5. crazyhat

    crazyhat Registered Member

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    Thanks guys i completely understand what you are saying and I know there needs to be diversity. I have seen alot of sellers creating PBN's offering around a 5 pack, a 10 pack and a 20 pack..sometimes 40 pack. BUt it sounds that a 5 or 10 pack is not sufficient enough to get real results. Its for a local locksmith company by the way.

    And thank you BB for the info on PBN does not effect the local 7pack. I was believeing it does because I have read info that it will effect it. What I have read is that organic and local results kind of run in line with each other.

    Another thing that led me to believe that organic rankings will also effect ur local pack rankings or vise versa is because I had a competitor that was behind me in both local and organic. About 3 days went by then he suddenly appeared on page 1 organic and in the local 7 pack. From the look of his backlinks it seems he used a bunch of spammy article directories, although if he did a PBN and blocked crawlers I wouldnt know.

    Do others agree that a PBN will have no effect on ur google local listing/7pack/map rankings???

    This could be some good info since I would think most business would come from the Local 7 pack over organic, and if a PBN does not bless you with better rankings in the google local/7pack then the benifit of a PBN may be less valuable to me vs the risk
     
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  6. tony_d

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    I agree that the organic SERPs seem to quite often reflect the local pack (or vice versa), but I don't know why.

    They're especially the same, in most cases, for those local keywords were G has cut down the 7pack to a 3pack - the top 3 organic SERPs are usually also in the local pack, though not always in the same sequence.
     
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  7. horitzfolk

    horitzfolk Newbie

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    Not possible to calculate how many domains you would need in a pbn to rank a certain keyword. Unless you start building and tracking your rankings thereby increasing according to your needs.
     
  8. AutoSeoPro

    AutoSeoPro Regular Member

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    In local pack you should rank with citations.

    But for organic ranking you'll need PBNs and it will depend on the quality of websites in PBN, backlink profiles, OBLs and other factors. But usually if you have your own PBNs it is enough 10 sites for local niche to see some positive results.
     
  9. SupremeBoner

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    I feel like people on bhw dont know how to rank anything.

    40-80 pbn's to rank a term, that is ridiculous
     
  10. tony_d

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    I feel like you have no actual experience in SEO, and just like to troll.
     
  11. Globalization

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    Get this garbage out of here
     
  12. Soggy

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    this is funny because i got quite a surprise when i clicked on your signature link
     
  13. ItsBlinkHere

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    I think you are not understanding the term PBN. A PBN is usually an entire network of blogs that are in some way linked together to give each other more authority in the search engines. Then, when you link to your "Money" site from one or more of the blogs, google while give the backlink more credit. I hear people getting mixed up around here a lot and saying they bought a PBN when they actually only bought a deleted or expired domain. They is a big difference, a PBN is an entire network of domains and not just one.

    So if you are asking how many expired or deleted domains you will need to rank for a term, then I'll have to say that there isn't a real formula. Check the quality and quantity of domains that your competitors backlinks are on and figure off that.
     
  14. goldnote

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    PBN links will NOT get you in the 7/5/3 pack map listings. Citations, reviews and proximity to city center will.
    If your on-site seo is done right, citations created (especially Google +, FB, Yelp, etc), social signals, backlinks are done- you shouldn't need to use a PBN. Even if you did, 40 would be over kill. If the 40 were "good".

    Apply for the BBB also. These links(BBB(.)org) are very powerful for local.
     
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  15. webcam777

    webcam777 Newbie

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    on organic search I'm getting in top 10 for low/mid comp keywords with 5-10 pbns from quality services here on BHW and link diversification.
     
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    The 7 pack is not influenced as much by external links as much as the standard organic results. Typically for local organic 5-25 solid domains is what it takes.
     
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  17. SupremeBoner

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    Cant i do both?

    80 pbns to a term assuming its not extremely difficult means either

    A: shit on page seo
    B: shit pbns

    Given your response and nature of forum I will say option A with some B as well
     
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    BreaknBrix Power Member

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    You really do sound dumb.

    First, I wrote "in my experience". The industries I'm in are all 7 figure year home related niches. I'm not a professional fucking SEO. My focus is on building huge local funnels and generating LEADS. Cause I like selling more than I like SEO. Last month was our biggest month in 3 1/2 years breaking $60,000 just for the 1 business me and my brother own. I also have 4 other local sites, 2 where I broker leads to friends. Then I also make a bit of money from CB. All in all I did very well last month. So I celebrated by buying a new Honda Civic SI. Not a beamer or a benz cause I'm too much of a jew. So overall I had a great month. It was my b-day a few days ago. Tomorrows my favorite holiday (4th of July).... I'm in a good mood... so forgive me if I don't give much of a fuck about your opinion.

    Tony D knows a lot more about SEO than me. And ALL HE SAID was there's no specific formula. Which is obviously correct. But that doesn't mean you can't ball park a number. A lot of dudes come on here thinking they can rank a local site with a 10 site network. If the industry is worth any money that's most likely NOT happening. Even a 20 network site it's highly unlikely. 40-80 is a more reasonable range for me personally.

    Then you come in here much like an idiot shouting about how nobody knows SEO. Most likely because you're "supremeboner" is cutting off the blood flow to your brain. I don't GAF if I have perfect onpage or the best PBNs in the world. But I know I have decent on page. I know I have decent PBNs. And ALL I care about is that they're safe, they work, that my funnel converts and most importantly that I MAKE MONEY.

    If you wanna go on bitching about what you think you know about SEO that we don't, feel free to write a book and sell in on WaFo for $7

    -BB
     
  19. hanssolo

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    I agree with most of what you were saying except that "linked together" factor. The key to run a successful PBN is to try your absolute best to avoid footprints, meaning, there should be NO WAY to tell that it's a network of blogs that run by the same person.