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How to buy expired domains and keep PR

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by codeman1234, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. codeman1234

    codeman1234 Power Member

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    Hello Guys,

    is it posible to buy an expired domain with for example a PR4 and keep its PR value? or is it true that Google resets PR when the registrant or server IP or web data changes?

    If so, how can I do this?


    Thanks,

    Codeman
     
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  2. dennis727

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    There's no guarantee, though it is possible (I do this all the time) if the PR will stick. What you can (and must) do is check if the backlinks are still there. And the backlinks have to be equivalent to the advertised PR. My rule of thumb is, the website must have at least 2 backlinks with equivalent PR so if one backlink's gone, there's still a possibility the PR will stick. Always do your due diligence.
     
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    There is no "guarantee" the expired domain will keep it's PR. You have to look at the backlink profile in something like Majestic SEO or Spyglass and assess for yourself.
     
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    I suggest not going by PR. Use opensiteexplorer to check PA and DA. (Page authority and domain authority if this is new to you). There's plenty of high PR domains for sale that have very low PA and DA, just waiting to drop PR. Buy for PA/DA and you'll be happy. Of course, heed the advice of others above and make sure the links are still in place to the site before purchasing.
     
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    Happen on a few sites of mine. Picked up PR 5 sites for less than 20 bucks. Seems the PR never sticks more than 6 months if the PA/DA is low.
     
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    Hello guys,

    Thanks a lot for replying and for this usefull information.

    I have only 2 questions, whats is the minimum PA/DA a domain has to offer so, I can buy it, or the recommended average so the PR don't fails.

    Also I have to check if back links still there or with the PA/DA is enough?

    Because I just found one that has PR5 but, is DA is 10/100 and PA is 1/100 the data came from Opensiteexplorer as Mathew recommends, great tool by the way.


    Thanks again guys,
     
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  8. codeman1234

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    Thanks for the tutorial kvmcable, I just have one question you have to leave the page the same way it was, that is what he tells on the tutorial so it keeps PR and DA right? Is it posible to keep same meta-tags and change site or if doing so, you lose the domains value? Leave it like the tutorial say, at least 5 pages the same way?

    Cheers!
     
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  9. codeman1234

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    Hey guys,


    I just manage to do it and the website is online, it was a wordpress and I manage to clone almost the all website but, more than 20 pages as you require on tutorial (I manage to clone all the website to its 80%), also it had more than 140 Referring Domains, 39,275 External Backlinks and a Domain Authority of 30/100.



    Just have 1 question, I just check the website with my Seomoz toolbar and I get on the PR N/A, how long it takes to see if everything worked fine and to see the new PR result? I just want to know the PR and to know if it worked or not.

    Thanks everyone really learn some new and cool stuff today!
     
  10. codeman1234

    codeman1234 Power Member

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    Also, it seems that the domain is not indexed on Google, what is the best way to procedure?
    Do I add URL to Webmaster Tools and Submit by Sitemap XML?

    Please can someone guide me to this final points.

    Thanks,

    Codeman
     
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  11. kvmcable

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    Well that's LBrowns tutorial and he is a she. :)

    Content isn't as important as getting the 404 redirect set up so you don't lose those backlinks to previous inner pages. It's been months (maybe a year) since I read LBrowns TUT but one thing I will add is DO NOT purchase a domain that doesn't have at least a parking page indexed in Google. I learned the hard way with auction domains. I have a few hundred tied up in otherwise excellent domains. Google refuses to index a single page so I'm working on reconsideration requests as a new owner. A bunch of extra BS just because I chose names without an indexed page.

    Sometimes it takes a few days to a week for Google to index a site. If it gets up to 2 weeks I get nervous. Toss your new site on some quick indexers to get bots scraping and see if Google doesn't pick up on that action.
     
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  12. codeman1234

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    Hey kvmcable,

    before anything thanks again for the help, yep you are right the domain I bought was deindexed of Google, so, my question for this domain what do I do? Just wait for Google to indexed my site again? or is a lost domain? do I create a webmaster tools account with that site and submit sitemap or not?

    What is the best way to procede and next domain I get I will make sure to at least have 1 domain even parked domain indexed on Google.

    Just one last question when you mention to 404 redirect set up so you don't lose those backlinks to previous inner pages, isn't that done with the wp plugin "Link Juice Keeper" as mentioned by LBrowns tutorial? and sorry for the confusion ;) "she made an awesome tutorial"

    Thanks for the help again and please let me know all this, because I think are the last questions I have about it, since her tutorial is very easy to follow.
     
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    Before purchasing the Aged Domain you need to check whether its Indexed in google or not. You can try this: type (site: domainname) in google search. If you find anything then its ok.
    Then Check the DA/PA using Opensite Explorer if its 30+ then its a good one. Check backlinks from backlinkwatch or ahref If its more than 200 then its PR wont drop soon.
    Your might bought a PR4 domain then after purchase if it PR becomes NA , then don't worry. It happens sometimes because its an expired domain , so put some content and wait for google to index it, then you will get your PR back.
     
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    Hello nichelinks,

    First of all thanks for the summary, because it gives me a lot of help on the issue.

    I just tried that on the domain I bought and nothing comes out, it seems that the domain was deindexed from Google, is still a way to save this PR domain or is a lost case? If, so, how can I save it?

    Cheers
     
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    One question guys,

    in case the domain that I am buying it site is not a Wordpress and for example used to be a SMF forum, so my question is how do, I keep all the URL's not redirect to 404 and do a 301 to index, since I cannot use link juice keeper plugin? by .htacess? if so, how can I find all the sites giving problem?



    Please help!
     
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    Anyone please?

    I am a bit stuck, please help!
     
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    Are you buying the DOMAIN or the whole site? If it's just the domain, it doesnt matter what platform the previous website was built on because you'll start fresh. Then you can upload wordpress and install "Link Juice Keeper" to redirect all the 404 pages to the homepage.
     
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    Hello,

    just buying the domain, since its an expire domain, so, basically I can just create a new website made in wordpress and install it the "Link Juice Keeper" plugin and I will save all backlinks and keep the PR?

    So, there is no need to clone the site?? What about meta tags like title, keywords or description?

    Please confirm, because if so it makes life a lot easier.


    Thanks for the reply dennis727 I was getting desperate, sorry if I am been a pain but, its my first site :D
     
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    Link Juice Keeper will NOT save all the backlinks. It will however, redirect all broken pages to the homepage so that you keep as much backlinks juice as possible.

    Make sure you do your due diligence when buying high PR sites. My rule of thumb is, the site must have at least 2 backlinks with the same PR value (i.e. in your case 2 PR 4 backlinks at least) that are not easily removed.

    There's no need to clone the site, however it's generally a good idea to keep the site as close to the previous site as possible. Then again, changing the site wont affect the PR, not directly anyways. The PR will be affected when the site lost its backlinks.

    Since it's an expired domain, there's no guarantee that the PR will stick too.
     
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    Hey Dennis727,

    thanks again for your reply, then just one more question so its clear to me, in your opinion what is the best way to procede? So, you keep the PR? what you recommend me?


    Thanks again, and again sorry to be pain.