How Swedish blackhatter was reported by competitor and what we can all learn from this

SebastianJ

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Hi sebastian
i just finish reading your blog post, first i would like to say that you are awesome :) and what are you doing is great
i don't blame the other guy for reporting you , it is normal , this is buisnes
i am like you in a way , i like to automate stuff a looooot , and this is one of the reasons i didn't succed in IM yet, but when i read your story i got inspired i'll try again and again until i reach my goal

i think if you stay off the radar and target some other niches is better, they don't have to be profitable as payday loans, but if you dominate some 10 different niches you'll make more money then you were, after all you said that you found a way to beat the system
good luck next time

Thanks for reading it, I know it takes quite a while to do so, heh :p.

Yeah, of course I've been thinking of just continuing with the strategy in niches where people don't really complain/report and that stuff. But to be honest I actually feel more motivated to just see if I can reach the top again by following Google's rules. We'll see what happens, whatever I do though, I'll definitely think more about footprints and that stuff hereafter :p
 

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This might make a huge difference. If merely adding a random YouTube video helps rank a page with no links, adding tools, calculators etc should be even better! Google talked about this, bringing something different, adding in a way that others don't, but you can go only that far with just content. Not everyone has sufficient technical skills or enough resources to build custom tools. If you can provide something different than other 9 competitors on page one, you have much better chance. Hope you will beat that guy again using white hat methods and he will have nothing to say...lol

Yeah, I actually think so too. If you go the extra mile Google should definitely reward you for it. It'll probably take ages to actually rank (like you described in your other post), but when you start to rank you can probably expect to stick around longer.

Yep, it would be quite fun to hit up #1 again, but doing so strictly by the book so no one can complain :p
 

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Why is this starting to sound like one of those white hat SEO promotion threads?
 

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Why is this starting to sound like one of those white hat SEO promotion threads?

Haha, I guess you're right. I'm probably throwing the 'white hat' term around too often (given what this forum is about, heh).

I'm not saying it's better or that it should be favored instead of grey hat/black hat.

It's more in terms of a personal challenge if anything.

Black Hat still works insanely well and I'm definitely not entirely ruling it out as a possible next move on my part. I'm just contemplating other alternatives (as people also chipped in with their white hat experiences).
 

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Yes, don't manage any servers. I don't know how you had it set up before, but just create everything and hand a turn-key system over to the customer.

Here is one company that does it: http://www.seonitro.com/

Yeah, I've been thinking about it to be honest.

I'm not really fond of the idea of managing tons of servers and doing a lot of system admin work though, but that's probably something I can hire someone to do as soon as/if it takes off.

Thanks for suggesting it, I should probably take another look at it.
 

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Hey!
Seb here (the guy that got penalized). Been lurking here for a while so I guess this is the most appropriate time to actually start posting here :p.
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Hey SebastianJ,

Your blog post made excellent reading, thank you! I hope others who read it have been inspired to write their own custom tools. Programming skills above all others is the most powerful tool in any SEO's toolbox and automation is the key to scale a technique almost without limits.
 

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Hats (black) off for taking as well as you have. Quite sad the guy goes running to MC though and actually gets off with it. I would be sorely tempted to try a 10% of profits goes to cancer offer, see how he and , indeed, MC handle that. I'd assume as he is giving to charity he looks to be getting pref treatment. What is his link profile like, he must be using blackhat. I would find it hard for MC to knock down a site offering 10% of profits, given it could be used against him via twitter etc. You clearly have the skills, and to be honest helping a charity is always good (karma and all that). That would make for an interesting situation. I dare MC wouldn't get involved then because right now it might make him look good helping the one that donates to charity, but if someone offers more to charity it would have a direct impact on his reputation to remove a site donating more.

I would do it just to piss that guy off, he cannot really respond to that without looking like the ar*ehole he must be. He doesn't have the right to monopolize the top spot, fire with fire would be my approach. Use netcomber if you're doing networks, it helps let you see what others can potentially see to identify your network.

Anyway well done for having the skills to do what you've done and all the best for the future with it.
 
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I hate this crybabies who run to their moms "Mommy, mommy, kids are making fun of me! My Tamagochi was the first and now it's the 4th or 5th". The fucked should have stood up for himself, not getting big daddy Matt to solve his problem (especially in this dirty way). Once you go a bit dirty, you can't be a whitehatter any more. You already have a light shade of gray.
On the other hand, I admire you Sebastian for your self control. Very few people are that mature.
 

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The one thing I never thought would be a problem when I got into SEO would be other people telling on you. It just never crossed my mind. I don't think I have ever told on anyone in my life and I don't think I ever will. I can only think up a few examples of times that I would tell on people and murder or hurting a child would have to be involved.


I hate this crybabies who run to their moms "Mommy, mommy, kids are making fun of me! My Tamagochi was the first and now it's the 4th or 5th". The fucked should have stood up for himself, not getting big daddy Matt to solve his problem (especially in this dirty way). Once you go a bit dirty, you can't be a whitehatter any more. You already have a light shade of gray.
On the other hand, I admire you Sebastian for your self control. Very few people are that mature.
 

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zo you ranked that animal sites with a shit load of russian love? how many links did you make a week for 1 site?
 

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One of the main reasons why that guy annoyed me so much is that he kept mentioning children cancer charity. Now don't get me wrong, I am all for it. I dislike it when people use it as marketing strategy either before they get successful or after for getting more links. Initially, he accused Sebastian for having money above anything else. Well, he has no way of knowing that! I admire it when people do something nice and don't talk about it. I don't think charity issue should be involved here at all.

Hats (black) off for taking as well as you have. Quite sad the guy goes running to MC though and actually gets off with it. I would be sorely tempted to try a 10% of profits goes to cancer offer, see how he and , indeed, MC handle that. I'd assume as he is giving to charity he looks to be getting pref treatment. What is his link profile like, he must be using blackhat. I would find it hard for MC to knock down a site offering 10% of profits, given it could be used against him via twitter etc. You clearly have the skills, and to be honest helping a charity is always good (karma and all that). That would make for an interesting situation. I dare MC wouldn't get involved then because right now it might make him look good helping the one that donates to charity, but if someone offers more to charity it would have a direct impact on his reputation to remove a site donating more.

I would do it just to piss that guy off, he cannot really respond to that without looking like the ar*ehole he must be. He doesn't have the right to monopolize the top spot, fire with fire would be my approach. Use netcomber if you're doing networks, it helps let you see what others can potentially see to identify your network.

Anyway well done for having the skills to do what you've done and all the best for the future with it.
 
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