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How Successful are Nations at Educating Their Citizens?

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    http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/international/tables/B_3_02.asp






    Table B.3.02. OECD: Trends in first-time graduation rates at upper secondary level, by country: 1995 and 2000 to 2008

    [TH="class: TblCls001, align: center"]Country[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls003, align: center"]OECD average[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls005, align: center"] [/TH] [TH="class: TblCls007, align: center"]OECD countries[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Australia[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Austria[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Belgium[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Canada1[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Chile[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"] [/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Czech Republic1[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Denmark[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Finland[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]France[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Germany[SUP]1[/SUP][/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"] [/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Greece[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Hungary[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Iceland[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Ireland[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Italy[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"] [/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Japan[SUP]1[/SUP][/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Korea[SUP]1[/SUP][/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Luxembourg[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Mexico[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Netherlands[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"] [/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]New Zealand[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Norway[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Poland[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Portugal[SUP]2[/SUP][/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Slovak Republic[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"] [/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Spain[SUP]1[/SUP][/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Sweden[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Switzerland[SUP]1[/SUP][/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Turkey[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]United Kingdom[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"] [/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]United States[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls006, align: center"] [/TH] [TH="class: TblCls005, align: center"]Non-OECD member countries[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Brazil[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Estonia[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Israel[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls008, align: center"]Russian Federation[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls009, align: center"]Slovenia[SUP]1[/SUP][/TH] [TH="class: TblCls011, colspan: 11, align: center"]— Not available.[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls013, colspan: 11, align: center"][SUP]1[/SUP] The graduation rates are calculated on a gross basis for all years.[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls013, colspan: 11, align: center"][SUP]2[/SUP] Year of reference 1997 instead of 1995.[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls013, colspan: 11, align: center"]NOTE: Up to 2004, graduation rates at the upper secondary level were calculated on a gross basis. Gross graduation rates refer to the total number of graduates (the graduates themselves may be of any age) at the specified level of education divided by the population at the typical graduation age from the specified level. After 2004, and for countries with available data, graduation rates are calculated as net, or cohort graduation rates. The net graduation rate is calculated by dividing the number of graduates at each single year of age, by the population at that age, and summing these over all the ages. In many countries, defining a typical age of graduation is difficult because ages of graduates vary. For more information on the method used to calculate graduation rates and the corresponding typical ages refer to Annex 1 and for more detailed notes by country refer to Annex 3 of Education at a Glance: OECD Indicators 2009. Apparent differences may not be statistically significant.[/TH] [TH="class: TblCls013, colspan: 11, align: center"]SOURCE: Data from Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). (2010). Education at a Glance: OECD Indicators 2010, table A2.2. Paris: Author.[/TH]
    1995 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
    74 75 77 76 78 80 80 81 82 80
    — — — — — — — — — —
    — — — — — — — — — —
    — — — — — — — — — —
    — — 77 79 83 79 80 79 76 —
    46 63 — 61 64 66 73 71 71 69
    78 — 84 83 88 87 89 90 88 87
    80 90 91 93 87 90 82 84 85 83
    91 91 85 84 90 95 94 94 97 93
    — — — — — — — — — —
    100 92 92 94 97 99 99 100 100 97
    80 54 76 85 96 93 100 98 96 91
    — — 83 82 87 86 82 85 84 78
    80 67 70 79 81 87 79 87 86 89
    — 74 77 78 91 92 91 87 90 96
    — 78 81 78 — 82 81 84 85 85
    91 94 93 92 91 91 93 93 93 95
    88 96 100 99 92 94 94 93 91 93
    — — — 69 71 69 75 71 75 73
    — 33 34 35 37 39 40 42 43 44
    — — — — — — — — — —
    72 80 79 77 78 75 73 75 77 78
    77 99 105 97 92 100 89 88 92 91
    — 90 93 91 86 79 85 81 84 83
    52 52 48 50 60 53 51 54 65 63
    85 87 72 60 56 83 83 84 85 81
    62 60 66 66 67 66 72 72 74 73
    62 75 71 72 76 78 78 76 74 76
    86 88 91 92 89 87 89 89 89 90
    37 37 37 37 41 55 48 52 58 26
    — — — — — — 86 88 89 91
    69 70 71 73 74 75 75 77 78 77
    — — — — — — — — — —
    — — — — — — — 75 — —
    — — — 90 89 93 90 90 92 90
    — — — — — — — — — —
    — — — — — — 83 97 91 85


     
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    [h=1]Dr. Michio Kaku Says America Has A Secret Super Weapon[/h]
     
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    Now add a new factor in which will evaluate how the level of education varies between the countries and how education has become easier and how good grades are easy to get these days within certain countries and we'll see if these statistics still make sense.
     
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    The difference between most countries and the U.S. when it comes to education is that in the United States for the most part the Federal government does not regulate education.
     
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    Good idea. Feel free. They've been dumbing done high school and colleges in the U.S. for a while now. It's still only 77%. I feel the U.S. could make better use of it's greatest resource.
     
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    You want Americans to get into the sciences? Maybe if there was more of a monetary incentive to it, we would. We're a nation that strives for money, and the fact that a Ph.D in something like Physics or Microbiology will net you something around the same salary that a police officer gets is the problem.

    Study for 7-8 years for a Ph.D? or not worry about an education and earn the same amount? Most people prefer the ladder.
     
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    "Because Japanese culture views the school as a moral community and a basic training ground for becoming a good citizen, teachers have broad responsibility for moral education and character development and for instilling fundamental Japanese values, attitudes, and "living habits" in students at all levels. These responsibilities are equal in importance to the academic roles of developing student motivation and helping students meet the high academic standards required for success in secondary school and university entrance examinations."




    Charlotte Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration, where she first blew the whistle on a major technology initiative which would control curriculum in America's classrooms.



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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Education_Board

    http://members.tripod.com/h_javora/jed4.htm
     
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    That's the problem right there.
     
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    You gonna kill this thread?
     
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    As long as people respond I doubt I will be able to.
     
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    Lol I caught that right away as well.

    That Charlotte Iserbyt video is the real deal.
     
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    Usa still have debt of 15 trillions, hmm
     
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    "The U.S. Board of Education Is One of America's Most Successful Projects and The Country Would Have Been Phenomenally Better Off Without It."

    "The purpose of the foundation (the General Education Board) was to use the power of money, not to raise the level of education in America, as was widely believed at the time, but to influence the direction of that education... The object was to use the classroom to teach attitudes that encourage people to be passive and submissive to their rulers. The goal was-and is-to create citizens who were educated enough for productive work under supervision but not enough to question authority or seek to rise above their class. True education was to be restricted to the sons and daughters of the elite. For the rest,, it would be better to productive skilled workers with no particular aspirations other than to enjoy life." -G. Edward Griffin in The Creature from Jekyll Island




    "In our dreams, we have limitless resources and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands. The present education conventions fade from their minds, and unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning, or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, editors, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians nor lawyers, doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have an ample supply." - General Education Board, Occasional Papers, No. 1 (General Education Board, New York, 1913) p. 6. John D. Rockefeller and Reverend Frederick Taylor Gates

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Education_Board#Criticism

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Taylor_Gates

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vt4v7KsFi8
     
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    Thats the truth right there. I don't know about America, but this is very true at where I live. Oh how I hated the whole education system... They teach a lot of worthless stuff, and keep telling you "study to have good grades and get accepted to university, and then you can have a good paying job". If you ask them something like "but what if I don't want to work for someone else" they will tell you "o_O .....well... then you will have to study a lot more" :) I say fuck that. There is no way to break out of your class inside the boundaries of the education system since it is designed to keep you in place.
     
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    Your assertion does not make any sense ro :)
     
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    As usual? lol
     
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    In the United States there is only 5 undergraduate universities run by the U.S. government and those are all military. The rest of the public universities are run by the individual state governments,which means if you are seeking a degree that isn't offered by a good college in your state and have to go to another one,and they are going to charge you much more since you are not from that state. Average same state is about $7,600 and average out of state is $11,900.
     
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    That's real talk. Charlotte Iserbyte (who I just discovered today by the way lol <3 Youtube!!) was in charge of U.S. education policy under President Reagan. She says what they were doing to cripple education and community was also going around the world. The U.S. was ground zero though so we got it the worse. Also, John D. Rockefeller was American.


    Who needs conspiracy theories when conspiracy facts are a dime a dozen!?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=esFq-mfLYVw
     
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    So why is Estonia allowed to teach their citizens how to program starting at age 6,when the world is supposed to be dumbing down?
     
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    Dunno but good for Estonia. I didn't say all the world is dumbing down. Look at statistic chart in the OP. Germany is crushing. Australia is crushing although their figures are missing from this chart. Japan, etc. America and the U.S. Constitution had to be weakened (with "terrorism") to create a New World Order. U.S. civilians have more guns than civilians anywhere else and more wealth than most (not all). So they weaken our education, morals, nutrition and healthcare.
     
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