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How stable are SAPE links when they get placed?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by RuthSam, May 29, 2015.

  1. RuthSam

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    Hi,

    I hope I can get some input about sape links and how stable they are / stick rate once they are set.

    For a few months I have some tests with sape links, and the provider is here from BHW, we have placed more and more orders with him but the results don't increase!

    When testing with Scrapebox and Majestic then we have to ask for several replacements of links during a 1 months period either their vanish or the TF/CF is very low on the sites so the results reflect this.

    Any idea if this is normal for sape or what is the issue here?

    Thanks for your help.
     
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    I am getting bad results with 100+ diversified (PR 1-6) links. Instead, get only 10-20 of the highest quality links (PR5+), that way am getting much better results (Of course pushed alongside PBN links).

    TF is your friend.
     
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  3. tony_d

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    SAPE is a beast that needs to be managed... if you have the appropriate filters, it will work wonders. If you buy the wrong links, you'll tank your project.
     
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    Well, as I said, I'm not looking for answers in regards to what links are best or anything. I'm asking if it is normal that you have to ask for replacement of links almost every week because the links either vanish or when they get replaced the provider put some sites up with a low TF / CF (not all, the majority are of high quality which keeps the sites where they are).

    Is that normal when you buy and work with SAPE?
     
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    It's certainly not normal that you'd need to replace ALL your links each week...

    When you create the campaign, you specify how many days a link needs to be 'missing' before it alerts you to a dead link...
    In my experience, it's around 10-15% per month that die, depending how you select the sites.

    If they're very obviously hacked sites, it's much greater - but placing links on hacked sites is not a good idea in my opinion anyway.
     
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    you people give are overthinking just find Prober SAP site and put your link on it .
    my only success with SEO was with SAP link from some bad-ass PR-5 that bomb my site visitors to 20K in Three weeks . so who cares if G busted you after 6 month and your site Banned . you already make money in six months you wont get in 6 years with your current clean white hat site .
     
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  7. RuthSam

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    That makes sense, thank you :)
     
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    After a week and some changes from our SAPE provider the ranking keep dropping, does anyone know what may be wrong? We were prepared to spend a lot of money on this because of the very good results we got in the beginning, but now it seems the impact drops or do you think it has something with the links to do?

    The situation for me looks like some candy trick. You lures the kids with some cheap good candy to start with and once addicted it costs much more money for a less quality!

    Frustrated :banghead:
     
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    How many links are we talking?

    If you've over done it, you might be attracting some type of penalty.

    Honestly - the only supplier I've found with the right sape filters is T0mmy with Speed Rank. Go check my post in his thread from a few hours ago - that's my last project that I used his service on, and it ranked from nothing to top 3 in about 60-80 days. I also have written there what other links I used.
     
  10. RuthSam

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    I ordered first prject - 75 PR3 - 5 links for 1 Web 2.0 that is more than 1 year old.

    Second project Aprox 50 for another Web 2.0 also Pr3 - 5 goes to another money site different than above.

    To start with everything worked, the more links the better the ranking.. but now hmm..

    It isn't that much of links for each web 2.0 or what do you think.

    In average the links above have TF and CF above 20+ at least in the beginning, then I discvovered 20 to be below that, the guy said it was because the innerpages have high TF and CF which was important.

    This guy is also from BHW of course, was very helpful so far.

    Are you sure T0mmy is the only valid option here ?
     
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  12. Zevoltai

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    Hello all, I'm the SAPE provider in question and I'd just like to clarify a couple of things.

    I select homepage SAPE links that have PA20+, CF 20+, TF 20+, with correlating high metrics across 2 canonical URLs for my service. RuthSam asked me to replace 9 links with TF lower a bit lower than 20 on the root domain, so I removed 3 and replaced 3 day over the course of the last week resulting in a drop from #3 to #8. Two of the links were actually iffy when I reviewed them, but I actually removed about 4 PA 30+ PR 4-5 homepage links for the project in question.

    RuthSam a dance is normal when you remove 10 high PR/DA/PA/TF/CF links. Just relax a little about the dances that occur when we replace 10 DA30+ links, and give the new links a few days to index.

    Tony is correct, about 10-15% of the links placed for each web 2.0 project have died over time but I've been proactively replacing them, admittedly with some lapses in communication considering the volumes I've been dealnig with. I'm starting to understand why most SAPE providers would rather not provide updates and reports considering I've had to overdeliver by 15% to actually reach the targeted final number of links on each project, but I believe in transparency.

    Edit: If you're dissatisfied with my service, I totally recommend Daniyal, I learned just about everything I did about SAPE from him.
     
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    getting top position isnt difficult...holding it for a longer time is the difficult part
     
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    with my experience of SAPE each week a few links drop and this is actually shown on the SAPE website so its easy to manage. its perfectly normal for this to happen and is why sometimes rankings dance a bit since some links are lost but then get replaced with new ones. Most if not all SAPE providers I know do know what they are doing and talking about. It looks like your SAPE provider knows what he's talking about and if anything he's being extra cautious to ensure you get the best links (eg, filtering by PR even though it hasn't been updated recently and isn't the best measurement of authority but people still like high PR because its something that has always been seen as good). Sometimes its good to get other peoples advice as your provider could be bias trying to keep you as a client but everything he's said seems correct to me and he knows what he's doing
     
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    There is no bad feeling here, I just ask the communicty for advise, I think it is what BHW actually is for :)

    All the input I got from here is vlauable information and sometimes it helps to have a constructive discussion to understand all aspects of an issue!

    @zevoltai , I would not have revealed your name here or told anyone who you are if you didn't had posted it at your own. As I mentioned in the e-mails and alos in this post, we have been very happy with your service until these drops... I think it is the 3rd months we have been working with you.
     
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    If you really want to use SAPE go direct.

    These links only cost $1-$5 YES only $1-$4 and your paying x5 that.

    Not only do you save yourself money you get to manage the links yourself so if anything goes wrong YOU can fix it and not rely on someone else.
     
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    This is good advice but you have the hassle of filtering the links, and a lot of people have problems funding their accounts when it actually can be really easy. its like saying dont buy web 2.0 blogs because you can make them yourself. Yes you can but the entire point of buying a service is so someone else does it for you. as for your comment about paying 5 times more, I actually haven't seen a SAPE service with this profit margin given the quality of link delivered, a more realistic profit margin would be twice as much as going direct. As well as the price per link you also have to take into consideration the transaction fee for actually loading up your account with money.

    So yes you could do it cheaper yourself but the entire point of any SEO services is to get someone else to do it for you and you're paying for their expertise and time.
     
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