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How should my friend ask for a raise.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by manmusic, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. manmusic

    manmusic Regular Member

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    Hello fellas,
    My buddy landed their very first actual Search engine optimization Job about three months back. He is working for a relatively brand new internet start-up company (3 years old) that is an expert in lead generation. He has been employed at $12/hour at first with the following obligations:
    - Performing keyword research
    - Publishing 5 500 word articles per day.
    - Writing 2 News and Blog posts.
    - Doing some internal linking.

    3 Months later he is doing this:
    - Wrote a 8 email drip feed email campaign.
    - Doing external link building
    - Deep linking internal pages
    - Managing Social Media for the the website (facebook primarily)
    - Acting as account manager (working with clients over the phone, email)
    - Writing blog posts, news, 500 word articles (5-10 per day)
    - Quality Checking Development Work
    - Coming up with SEO Strategies.
    - Managing overall SEO for the company website

    I know if you go to monster or career builder, you can find seo jobs that pay over 100k per year. He is still new to the game. Some of the responsibilities he has received because other people within the company were fired or quit.

    The company makes their money mainly from new clients that sign up. Right now sales are not the strongest, so I told him that if he asks for too much, the company will probably reject it or wont be able to fulfill it in the long term if sales around where they should be.

    I told him that she should propose the following salary request strategy.
    #1 - ask for a decent raise
    A raise that isn't going to be outrageous. My friend really wants to outsource some of his work and use some seo tools to work more productively. And you know that many of these tools cost money to use. The company doesn't use any seo tools, so they would not provide funding for this. So if he can get a decent raise, he can cover the expense of the tools and also outsource some of his responsibilities so he can be even more productive and help the company even more, getting another raise in the future.

    #2 - Ask for some sort of bonus or profit sharing option. I told him he should look into some sort of bonus or profit sharing option. My idea is that he should get bonuses or additional profits based on her performance and traffic that he generates for the website / clients.

    I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this or knows anyone in this type of situation. I told my friend to hold off before proposing as I will talk with my expert partners in the warrior forum! Any and all help is greatly appreciated!

    Also when he is ready to outsource I will have him post some jobs here so we can create more jobs. I know the economy sucks right now.

    So the bottom line is my friend's boss said to make an offer on the ideal salary he wants to get and he would consider it. What should he ask for, what about the bonus, is it a good idea? What is realistic?

    Thanks
     
  2. Cnotey

    Cnotey Power Member

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    No one should really be asking for a raise after 3 months of employment. It's considered standard in the workplace that 6 months is the SOONEST anyone should be asking for a raise.

    In addition, the 100k a year price tag I'm sure is for extremely skilled individuals. You said yourself he is new to the game.

    $12/hr is actually a fairly good rate for someone who is new to an industry without an applicable degree.

    Option #2 doesn't sound bad about a bonus package of some sorts, but employers always find a way to get out of giving that to employees.

    If I was your friend, I would shut the hell up and be happy with the $12/hr. If he's really not happy with it, he needs to work for himself.
     
  3. TheRealRazzy

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    Your friend should go up to his boss and say "B*tch, give me a raise!"

    lol :D

    3 months is early though.


    Really it's all about what he's done for the company and if he's not worth losing. Don't go up to the boss and say you're going to leave if you don't get a raise. Think of all the things that the person has done for the company and highlight the increase in sales and/or rankings he/she has produced.

    That alone can get most people a raise :)




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    And I bet his boss is familiar with marketing so he'll be able to read through your friends BS if there is any :D
     
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  4. marusia

    marusia Senior Member

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    Did you copy/paste this from warrior forum? :D
     
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  5. TheRealRazzy

    TheRealRazzy Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    lol, I didn't even notice that part :D
     
  6. sixalarm

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    I would echo cnotey's advice. If the company is experiencing weak sales, then asking for a raise or bonus is probably not gonna work out to well. If I were you friend, then I would just take this opportunity to gain as much experience as I could. That experience will come in handy if he ever decides to go solo or apply for a new higher paying job. Also, if he is not already a member of the major internet marketing and seo forums then he should join them now and become a very active member. That way, if he decides to start his own company, he will already be a visible and respected member of the forums and that will probably make landing his first clients much easier. I know it may seem like he is not being paid what he is worth, but this is an employer's economy. There are a lot of people who would kill for 12/hr. So I would just soak up as much experience as I could with an eye on going solo. Just my .02.
     
  7. Sacrilege

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    It's not unheard of to get a raise after 90 days of employment if it was a probationary period.

    However this is a startup and they probably don't have a lot of cash on hand. Normally good startups will offer stock options, profit sharing, ownership of the company. This is how all the people who were devs on the ground floor of twitter/google etc are rich today.

    He needs to be tracking SERPS positions and his progress if he isn't already. Also, many times the SEO activity he is doing now may not have a big impact for 5-6 months. I'm just being realistic. When he has collected some decent results, or when he sees the company start to grow he can ask for some sort of profit sharing or ownership option. I wouldn't ask for cash, starting a new business is expensive as shit and he doesn't have the qualifications to command a big salary. However, in the meantime, he is learning valuable skills and beefing up his resume so worst case scenario, he can quit after 2 years and land a much better job.

    There are a lot of companies that scoop up entry-level people for dirt cheap and don't take measures to keep them on board very long. These are the types of places you use for experience, and either book it the minute you become valuable or stick around and end up running the place because everyone else booked it the minute they became valuable.
     
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  8. manmusic

    manmusic Regular Member

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    LOL you caught me. I tried to spin it at the top! Please forgive me!!!!!!!!:( I just really wanted to get it answered, good catch!
     
  9. manmusic

    manmusic Regular Member

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    Good Suggestions, i will consider your advice and everyone else also.