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how much to charge for a website build.

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by transit13, Jan 19, 2010.

  1. transit13

    transit13 Newbie

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    hey all,

    just got contracted to send in a proposal on building a site with shopping cart and user database along with a seo, social media, and ppc campaign. what are your thoughts on how much to charge i was thinking 1k. please have prior experience before answering thanks.
     
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    Can you do all of this, if so then you should know what your time is worth

    depending on what the niche is, above $1k

    but if you can't do this just outsource the work via elance or such and just
    charge double what they charge you
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  3. noph34r

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    First of all: are you a professional developer? If yes let's go on.
    Will you code all the site from the scratch or use some CMS?
    Have you shown the mock-ups and wireframes to your customer and got approved? Will you create all the graphics (vector and bitmap format)?
    And the html/css code?

    If you have answered yes to all the questions 1K is too low friend, only for this job I charge my customer at least 3K for a little corporation, the price grows if the customer is a bigger corporation.

    As a sample of a good web agency, I have uploaded a real example of a web site project as reference.

    Sample pdf:
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  4. judson

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    when you think you have come up with a figure, double it.

    Make sure you insist on milestone payments. A good idea is to get paid for anything that the client can then take to someone else to finish the job. So, wireframes signed off = payment. PSD's done = payment. Etc etc etc

    The project will take longer than you think, and the customer will jerk you around with what they say are trivial changes, but are huge things that require you to almost start from scratch.

    Oh yeah, tell the client to not expect perfection at launch. It is in their interest to launch quickly, and then come back to you to fix things when they have had first hand experience with the cart.

    And whatever you do, do not under any circumstance be bullied into coding a solution from scratch. You'll never finish the project, and never get paid.
     
  5. portuguese

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    I've been a freelance web developer for the past 7 years. Have overall 14+ years experience in coding. all judson said is true. It's hard to keep up. You have to learn the most dificult lesson. Saying no. Believe in me. This is HARD!

    When the customer say "just a few text changes" he mean complete site in a different language. Or multilanguage. Or something even more creative. Believe in me. It's a friggin hard to keep customers tamed. But it can be done :)
     
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    When you write a professional proposal and design document with all the wireframes and your customer signs it, it's only time to build.
    Never stop to words, everything has to be written down on paper.
    The business is not hurted by customers but by amatorial "so called" web developers who even doesn't know W3C guidelines.

    Writing from the scratch is not a pain in the ass, is the only way to do a great career in this business. If you are a good coder you can write your personal PHP framework in 3 hours and sell the source at a higher price than using wordpress or drupal.
    IMHO
     
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    kingbrend Regular Member Premium Member

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    To me it sounds like a nightmare and I wouldn't do it for less then 5k.

    I build websites really well, I can do any kind of website, etc. It's the promoting the website that takes the most time. Maybe just build it for them, and let them take over. If that were the case, 1k would do.
     
  8. judson

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    Mmmm. I agree on having things written down. It doesn't help half the time though, unless you are explicit that all changes have to be agreed, and will cost more $$. Plus, you really need to get paid for the wireframe and other docs. They cost time and effort = money, to capture requirements properly and produce.

    Regarding frameworks, YMMV, but seriously 90% of the time there really is no need for a coded from scratch solution. It get really expensive really quickly. Plus, it results in vendor lock in. As a buyer, I would need a developer to really *make* the case for a custom solution before I accepted it. As a seller/developer, I really want the customer to justify why they think that extra 5% extra they might get from a custom solution warrants tripling the price.

    In my experience, custom solutions in eCommerce/Cart sites generally = Security nightmare. Again, YMMV.

    Back to the OP, again, come up with a figure based on your time estimates for the job, and your hourly rate. Then double it. Then slap on another 20% for 'maintenance'. You will still find yourself shortchanged.
     
  9. transit13

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    Thanks everyone for your reply's so much as usual awesome info that can only be had at BHW. very much appreciated. i think i am going to double my original figure and throw in some sort of month by month promotional system.

    thanks again.
     
  10. portuguese

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    My proposal template has that. Everything has to be agreed. Everything outside the contract has a price per day. usually my day's work costs around 100EUR, outside the contract rises up to 180EUR, all in the contract.

    Life sucks, then you die :) I've been around (and burned) enough time to know this and the keep my nose clean.

    And I do have my own framework (several actually) from CMS's to Social Networks, I have samples of all. I use a base framework called CodeIgniter to startup any project and then just add my ready made components. It's a true win-win solution.