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How much money for starting Black Hat SEO as a newbie ?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by lovelyiris, Jan 15, 2014.

  1. lovelyiris

    lovelyiris Newbie

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    Hello, I'm totally new to Black Hat SEO, so this is the period for learning, obtaining, absorbing, studying,...new knowledge.

    I know that I cannot just read guides and tutorials. At least I must have some tools to practice. However, I just confuse of choosing what to invest my money in. Could you advise me some softwares or services that I should involve with ? If you don't know, can you list out what services and softwares that you are using, that helps me as well.

    Or if you once started Black Hat SEO without any tools, just with your bare hand only, please let me know too.
     
  2. ZorkZork69

    ZorkZork69 Junior Member

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    I began with 300$ and a good mentor. I'd recommend you start with not spending anything except for a domain name or two and learn techniques first.
     
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  3. Zevoltai

    Zevoltai Senior Member

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    Now that I know a little more, there are two routes to learning to use blackhat SEO. The most economical means of starting blackhat SEO is with just the following
    GSA
    Scrapebox
    10 proxies
    High-speed VPS

    Which is a good ~200 dollars
    On the other end of the spectrum, you can outsource most of the work to fiverr once you know what you're doing. It'll take you ~120 upfront and like $30/month of upkeep

    If you wanna go hardcore blackhat, order yourself some private network or SAPE links after your buffered/tiered link building. That'll run you something on the order of $1-2/month per link or ~$10 per permanent link
     
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  4. Vonais

    Vonais Power Member

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    Buy GSA SER, Scrapebox, a powerful VPS, buy private link lists, make your own as well, and lots of private proxies.
     
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  5. lovelyiris

    lovelyiris Newbie

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    could you talk a little detail what techniques I should learn ? I planned on learning how to use GSA, Scrapebox only. Is that enough ?
     
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    Heather Legg Newbie

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    just go with GSA ranker. It will help you get some backlinks after that you can target different links sape and all.
     
  7. ilovestocks

    ilovestocks Junior Member

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    I started out only with a domain and hosting. Then a few months later I purchased Scrapebox (like 50-60 dollars) and proxies for $20.00 a month. You don't even need Scrapebox to get started, it just made finding backlinks easier. You can get started really cheap if you want. That's all I'm using still today plus a few extra domains and hosting account.

    Posted via Topify using iPhone/iPad
     
  8. SpiderBlast

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    I'd say $1,000-$2,000 is a decent amount to get started with.

    You can pick up -

    GSA
    Captcha Breaker
    Indexification
    Scrapebox
    VPS
    Proxies

    and whatever else you need depending on the method (website, hosting OR video production software, photoshop which technically you can torrent).

    Keep in mind, those tools can do a lot but the one magic ingredient that will help you (in tough circumstances) is a HIGH QUALITY, SAFE and AFFORDABLE source for high pr links. And I personally don't recommend private networks on BHW because I think too many are a target for Matt Cutts.

    There have been many times in the past I was stuck in a rut, paid my SEO guy $99 / month to rank a site, and within 2-3 months he has me #1 on G. In fact, when I started off I didn't have ANY tools at all. What got me money to buy tools was finding that 1 connection with his own private network who could rank sites and KEEP THEM ranking long term. But keep in mind I did research for 6 months before I found that guy.

    He was the one who really got me into marketing. Because he made it too easy to get traffic / commissions. And THEN I started buying tools and doing my own shit on the side.

    Even today, even though I know how to rank videos / make money on Clickbank most my income is due to 3 things.

    1) My ability to make professional looking websites & write compelling copy.
    2) My SEO guy who ranks those sites like cake.
    3) My one local connection (a popular contractor) who I use to broker all my leads for 5 figure commissions.

    The point is, don't become overly obsessed with tools. Because sometimes making money is A LOT easier than most people will lead you to believe. People always talk about working hard and learning. And YES, you NEED to learn some things that aren't easy to do. Like how to install wordpress, how to install forms, how to make videos, how to design graphics, etc etc. But once you learn and become proficient, you can make shit happen FAST AND CONSISTENTLY.

    The ONLY REASON I haven't had a job for 4+ years is because I have that 1 consistent thing I can always fall back on. That 1 thing that always works. That 1 skill I mastered more than 90% of people. And if gives me leverage to take risks, to spend some money here and there testing new things... all awhile not being paranoid that I'm going to lose my house.

    So develop that ONE SKILL you can always fall back on. I can NOT emphasize how important it is. Whether its picking up the phone and selling webdesign. Or ranking local sites and collecting commissions. Ranking videos and making CB commissions, making amazon sites, etc etc.... become EXTREMELY PROFICIENT AT ONE THING.

    If there is one thing you will notice about the most successful marketers on here, they may be involved in lots of things, but all of them have that ONE THING they all know how to do. They may not like it so much cause they've been doing it for so long, but it brings home the bacon, and without they'd be hopeless and struggling just to get by.

    -SB
     
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  9. Aty

    Aty Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    You don't need money to start. You can write articles for example and make some start up money.
     
  10. Beven

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    I began with £0 and my initiative.
     
  11. warhorse701

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    just use you own ideas and just get started with $0 investment
     
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    Try out to start $0. Then you can go and invest $200 above.
     
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    Do your market research before you go buying any tools. 99% of the people who spend money at the start never make it back, you just only hear from the ones that get lucky.

    You want to monetize, so you'll want a good idea of how you're going to do that, and then you're going to want to know if there's a market you can compete in. There are many different traffic sources and ranking algorithms vary from keyword to keyword. If you get all this established first you'll have a good idea of what you need to rank and can buy what you need to do that. Otherwise you'll be sitting there with an arsenal of tools that you may never figure out how to turn into cash.
     
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    $100 will get you pretty far for starters in SEO. All you need to really invest in is web hosting.

    After learning the ropes, you can then automate your techniques with tools like GSA, Senuke, etc.
     
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    While I'm a big advocate of SEO tools, if you are a beginner and are on a budget, you should just try to go it without tools in the beginning.

    Learn how to correctly build a website first and then learn how to rank it without tools.

    Then once you figure out how things work, figure out what you can automate, and then make purchases accordingly.
     
  16. Aluminium

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    You don't need ANY money to start off, but it's always good to have some money to invest with. I started off content writing and have been sticking with it ever since; although I do dabble in some other things.

    - A
     
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    I concur with that recommendation that you start with not spending anything except for a domain name or two and learn the techniques first.
     
  18. fxphil

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    ZERO BONES BRO! Read the forum.. Make a FRee blog and run IM off it. (that's lame but a start)

    Next week I will be posting my Poor man's guide to authority sites. It will be an elaborate way to to make a great site with spending hardly anything.
     
  19. imyself

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    I would say, Atleast you need $100 to start with.This is no 2010 where you could rank your site with a cracked Ver of Senuke.
    Spend some time here, remove the "newbie" from you and thn start making money.
     
  20. Kralj187

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    Well I have begun with 0 but that was in 2011 when things were easy ^^
    SEO is getting more expensive with every year. I would recommend any newbie to start with serious social media campaigns on twitter, facebook, pinterest etc. and once you get some good traffic from these sites you should go for additional organic traffic.