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How many times is it ok to use the same spun article when blasting?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ranko Jones, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    I am making good manual spins with spinnerchief what are estimates for how many times I could keep using the same one?
     
  2. jb2008

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    Even if it's a good manual spin, G is becoming increasingly able to detect spun content. It depends whether you have spun on the paragraph and sentence level, and if so, how many variations of these, and then finally how well spun it is on the word level. If it has 3x paragraph variations, 3x sentence variations for each, average 3-5 variations for each word, I would use that for one blast so around 500-1000 I'm guessing. But even then I'm doubting whether it works at all as the results from spun content (in the typical sense) have decreased with time. Spinning an article (Even well spun manual) and blasting it with AMR or web 2.0 or whatever is fast becoming a thing of the past. Manual spinning, a good manual spin that is, can take up to a day to do, and it's a poor ROI. Because I suspect that G is able to detect even well spun content nowadays. You've got to do things differently to get any results looking forward.
     
  3. techcrunked

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    yeah i wanna know this too. what is the optimal number of spun articles that can be generated before the manual spun article loses it's effectiveness? we'll take the benchmark ultra spun article as one unique written article having 3X paragraph variations, 3X sentence variation in every paragraph and also spun at word level. a uniqueness of over 90% . how many spun articles can be generated from this one before they start to lose uniqueness. 500? 1000?
     
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    Depends on its uniqueness and spinning levels you do. How many sentence variations do u have ? how many paragraphs variations !.
     
  5. techcrunked

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    i described the benchmark spun article above. A super spun article having 5 sentences in each paragraph. 3X variation each paragraph, 3X variation each sentence in each paragraph and also spun at word level with 3-4 synonyms. All done manually to maintain readability.

    Now how many spun variations can i generate from such a spuntax article so that i don't dilute it's effectiveness and uniqueness. Or simply, such a spuntax article would be good for how many submissions?
     
  6. jamesvick

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    calculate it like this :

    if you have an article which can generate 2 unique articles then submit it to 2 places only.

    now if you have an article spun on sentence level and phrase level and has paragraphs too, then you can use it in 3 senuke blasts (content links only) or 1 AMR of 1000 sites or so. Any more than that and it's a call for trouble.

    If you can try and build another article like that and spin them both together, then you can use one such in both senuke and AMR.

    I did a test with super spun content and xrumer. Usually when we spam, i used to notice only 2000-3000 indexed pages. This was spun on word levels only. But after combining various sentences, paragraphs etc. it increased to 35,000 indexed pages.

    Google is getting smart because you load an article into TBS and then spin it and then done. But understand this :

    word1 word2 {word3|word3-1|word3-2) word 4

    now when you spin above don't think that you are changing a word - think that you are not changing 3 words. Even if you go on a sentence spun level, you will end up generating articles where you have 2-3 sentences alike.

    So the above format is strong but try and increase it by adding another article just like that and then combining the two. :)
     
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  7. Ranko Jones

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    Thing is you guys say how its not effective however, recently I noticed many of total crap one click spun article directory subs have pushed my original content off the front page.
     
  8. drwhite

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    Depends where are you going to post it. A well spunned article can go for 1000 post easy but as someone stated above google is getting smarter. I limit my spunned article to 100 posts maximun, but again I'm not using any spammy software for posting
     
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    It's not always going to make sense. I've had sites made and backlinked in the exact same way -- one shoots up in traffic after an update while the other tanks. The only factors I would be unaware about is how they measure user behavior and possibly apply a penalty. But in general, spun content is very weak compared to good quality content for backlinking purposes, and I assume that's what you want, good backlinks.
     
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    Google does not know what quality is, as long as you make your content unique'ish, you are all good.
    I posted a method very recently on how to generate near unlimited unique content, yet nobody here seems interested when anything gets even slightly advanced, and above the level of "slap article in thebestspinner and press spin"..
     
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    Of course it's still effective, just make a balance between SPAM and quality backlinks, and i telling you this from my experience ;)
     
  12. monk13

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    when you spin an article, you should be striving for uniqueness not just by words, but by ordered meaning and by sentence length
    example
    adding a sentence like this to the end of a paragraph (bear in mind this is ripped from a spun article and it's missing the rest of the context before it)
    Code:
    { {Olive Oil has been used for {thousands of years|centuries}{ (predates roman times)|} for {cleaning and enhancing|enhancing and cleaning} the {skin|skin and hair|hair}.|Used for {thousands of years|centuries} to {clean and enhance|enhance and clean} the {skin|skin and hair|hair}.}|}
    
    you get 38 unique variants by exact word match
    you get about 21 unique variants by concept ordering.
    you get about 6 unique variants based on concept presence.
    this may seem to be poorly spun content...
    however...
    Code:
    {make sure that you are aware of|make sure that you know about|make sure that you understand|ensure that you are aware of|ensure that you know about|ensure that you understand|make certain you are aware of|make certain you know about|make certain you understand} {the above|the above|the aforementioned|the above mentioned} information {before going|prior to going|before going|before you go} in. 
    
    is capable of 200+ unique variations based on exact words
    1 unique variation based on concept order
    1 unique variation based on concept presence

    which do you think google sees through easier?

    (a side note, the top is manually spun, the bottom is autospun, the campaign i'm running in the top is in a much harder niche than the one in the bottom, and the one on top is outpreforming the one on bottom)
     
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    Things I do to get my spun content for web 2.0s and AMR submission:

    1. I scrape 5-8 articles with my keyword. I splice them together at the paragraph level into large spitax construct with Ubertoolz Splice&Spin module.
    2. I manually check articles and make certain that each paragraph has its own meaning even without other paragraphs. Also all text must make sense to readers.
    3. After that I add this large spintax construct to AMR article preview. I open up as many article previews I need for my web 2.0s. I take one article preview (600-1000 words) and add it to Ubertoolz AutoSpintaxer.
    4. I take AutoSpitaxer article and check it manually to remove senseless spinning words and add more words if possible. Now I have paragraph level spinning (5-8 variations for each paragraph) and word spin level with decent variations.
    5. Now I add article to Ubertoolz Char Spinner. It spins original characters randomly to similar characters. They are human readable but for search engines it looks like unique and totally different from original article.

    I dont really know how long this takes for Google to pick up this kind of content abusing, but it works for me at the moment. Also Copyscape never find any duplicate content using this method.
     
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  14. Ranko Jones

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    Well as for my spins Im doing manual but choosing 3 or so words per word so spinning on word level.

    Molly was a funny character: {Molly|Danny|Brad} {Was|is|can be} {a|such a|a very} {funny|laughable|hilarious} {character|person|individual}

    Im not good with maths how many uniques does that come to? Tons does it not for a 500 word article? The above example has limited vairations due to its short wordlength but on a 500 word article the variations increase exponentially right? Can anyone better at maths than me give me number of variations?
     
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    i thought of a way to generate spuntax articles and would like to know your opinion about it

    1. use instant article wizard to scrape keyword related content across the web. it can then break down spun articles into individual sentences.
    2.take individual sentences and spin them at word and phrase level.
    3.take these sentences to create a paragraph of 5 sentences with 4X sentence variations.
    4.do step three 2 times more and spin them together to create a single superspun paragraph, spun at 3X paragraph level and 4X sentence level in each paragraph
    5. create 2 more superspun paragraphs and now we have a complete superspun article

    what do you guys think about this? is there a way i can improve on this method. This would take a lot of time to create btw, and would be messy as hell. so not sure if there is an easier and better method around.
     
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    As long as its not tier 1 content, it doesn't matter.
     
  17. Hogare

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    Here's how I'm doing it and it's something I picked up from expertpeon.Take a 500 word article,rewrite each sentence manually ten times and then use word synonims.You get quality,human readable content.You can check for similarity between these in spinnerchief2 and remove the ones with similarity larger than the one you're comfortable with.Usually I get around 800 good ones.

    Hope this helps.
     
  18. Ranko Jones

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    All these elabourate spinns i think sort of defeat the object of spinning at all. its a cost benefit between whether it helps or not in serps.

    i dont think it does tbh. ppl say they think it does but they are just going on what they think is the case not what is the case. I used to just copy and paste the exact same article from my site to amr and blast it without spinning and saw just the same serp gains as spinning.

    I want to spin now tho to test the hypothesis agian due to changes in algo and amrs decreased efficacy.
     
  19. jb2008

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    Sorry, duplicate post.
     
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    Spinning has its uses, and yes, G is not human so it doesn't know what is a "great" article, but it can detect grammatical correctness and uniqueness quite well.

    My experience with getting 1 article and spinning manually into many versions, however good your manual spin may be, is that it is not worth the time.