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How many money sites per pbn?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by welly_59, Jun 10, 2015.

  1. welly_59

    welly_59 Power Member

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    As per title, how many money sites is a pbn good for? Can I link to two or 3 money sites per pbn or is it better to keep it to 1?
     
  2. welly_59

    welly_59 Power Member

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    Anyone able to help?
     
  3. ghostlyman

    ghostlyman Newbie

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    It depends on how big your PBN is and how many money sites you have. Just make sure that you don't links each of your money site to each of your PBN sites otherwise it would be a huge footprint and you are likely to get penalized.
     
  4. hennyhen

    hennyhen Newbie

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    I think each PBN is designed for a single money site to avoid footprints.
     
  5. seokvra

    seokvra Newbie

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    Bro, make your PBN looks the most natural possible then you're fine. I have a PBN of 14 blogs, each has around 10 articles 500-2k words, and I'm fine to link to more than one money site, I just started at IM about 2 months ago, got 1 money site running pretty well, soon I'll jump into my second money site and it will be related somehow to my first niche. How could I leave all the power of PBN behind? :p Don't be scared.
     
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  6. Gioom

    Gioom Newbie

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    I generally keep it to 2 different anchor links to the same money site per blog and I use about 5 blogs per money site. This works well for me but there might be better options outthere. I´m thinking of adding 1 more site per blog.
     
  7. klawre1221

    klawre1221 Regular Member

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    Link out to other sites so you don't leave a footprint. Different other sites per blog.
     
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    I have a question too. All my money sites are conected to me because they are all registered under the same name,right? and I use my PBN to link to, lets say, 2 money sites, would that leave a footprint? I think it would.
     
  9. Cshark

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    You mean your name. Why would it be connected to you? You can hide your identity while purchasing domains and host each of them on different servers.
     
  10. welly_59

    welly_59 Power Member

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    money sites are safe in your name, but if you were discovered to have a PBN pushing one money site then you COULD have a manual review of all your money sites. Highly unlikely though
     
  11. farkasb

    farkasb Junior Member

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    In short: yes, why couldn't you? Just do it in a way that:
    - one Money Site is not linked from the same IP/host twice
    - one Money Site is not linked from a domain owned by the same person twice (or hide the identity, but better to use other owners (as G may be able to reveal true identity or will be able to later), friends, family, fake etc..)
    - two Money Sites are not linked together more than once (meaning, if Site A and Site B is linked from PBN 1, they shouldn't be linked again together from PBN 2. However, PBN 2 may link Site A and Site C)

    Managing PBNs:
    - use Virtual Machines with proxies (proxy is not enough, ie. you open wp-admin from the same machine you leave footprint)
    - never visit your sites outside of their Virtual Machine setup, don't even open them from your other browser

    So basically you can even host multiple PBNs on the same host, as long as you keep this in mind.
     
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  12. deancow

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    how would google know if you visited your own wp-admin? they don't know what you are doing online (assuming you don't use chrome logged in). If you want to be paranoid just add google fonts reference to your hosts file so they aren't loaded but not visitng your own urls in your browser is really paranoid
     
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    as about wp-admin thing , I guess OP it's totally wrong , that makes no sense ,
    yes be aware of using either chrome or mozilla , I use opera and some other browsers to create my PBN's ,
    Focus mostly on the hosting thing , that's the main issues to keep in mind when building a PBN , domain registrars , etc

    @OP 2-3 sites is just fine but that doesn't mean that each PBN site should have 3 posts , each pointing to your money site
    make that shit look natural , buy $2 articles and add some , 10-15 , keep adding content each 2-3 weeks or something
     
  14. THUNDERELVI

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    Dude do you have any idea what kind of data mining power Google needs to track you like this? We aren't in that golden age... yet! So relax, you can open your own sites from any computer you wish as many times as you wish lol
     
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  15. farkasb

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    So you are saying that they don't collect information about people to show them personalized ads? Take a look on here: browserspy(dot)dk
    This is just a few things publicly knowned your browser gives away about you, Chrome or not. They do try to identify people, real people based on their habits, the way they write articles etc... What I suggested is the safest way to stay under their radar, the safest way that you won't make any mistake. It only takes one mistake to reveal your sites (ie. forgot login to Gmail etc..).

    I perfectly understand that they can't possible know everything and track everybody, and of course they won't jump on you right away. Although, should they try to find your sites one day for any reason (I've seen people being investigated and lose all their sites at once - regardless he was saying he didn't leave any footprints...), they will use all the information available about you on that day to take your sites down. Check those threads where people was talking about losing their sites even though they were not linked together in any way (ie. not using the same WM account etc..). So how did that happen than? The only common thing was the guy operating those sites. They somehow found him and linked him to his sites.

    The fact is, it's getting to be more difficult to stay hidden and it's just going to be worse by time. The ways you know now, how to avoid leaving footprints may already be obsolate, you just won't know about it until it was to late.

    I know it sounds paranoid, but most of this is fact. You can ignore this, it's up to you and most likely you will be just fine (for now), but if you build your business for the long run, it's better to be prepared for things what's about to come.
     
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  16. THUNDERELVI

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    I know VERY WELL what Google collects and tracks about people. That doesn't mean we have to be that paranoid. You are missing a very important point - Google goes till the end of the world to collect information about people in order to show them personalized ads, because that way their millions "become" billions. Simple as that. I am sure you have heard of re-targeting by now, right? If a simple webmaster with a simple website on the Internet can increase its revenue by 2-3x more (at least) by utilizing re-targeting, imagine what Google can do with the billions of people using their search engine and their products every day? It's very profitable for Google. And that is the tip of the iceberg. I won't mention other revenue streams that come from spying on people, but you might get the idea.

    Now when it comes to PBN-s and tracking specific people down, for God's sake, this is a very tiny % of people that will cost Google MORE for going after them then it is actually worth it. The big niches and industries already have manual reviewers in place. In other niches, random competitor flagging requests are taken into consideration. But there are millions of keyword combinations out there and millions of websites to review that it just isn't worth it. That is why an algorithm ranks websites, not manual people. I agree - you may get unlucky and get manual reviewed. Well in that case, shit happens so you either cover all of your tracks properly or start over again. But the chances are very slim and it's highly unlikely Google will go "crazy" on tracking you down SPECIFICALLY!
     
  17. MyGirlfriendIsaPBN

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    Im interested in this as well. Right now Ive got a small network of 50 PBN with each of them point to only 1 money site and id like further my network for rankings.
     
  18. TheSEOWizard

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    It all depends on the risk you are willing to take. I personally do not like to use 1 PBN only for 1 money site. Sort of wastes their value a bit in my honest opinion. It might be slightly risky to connect to multiple money sites from a single PBN but then please remember that PBN as a whole is not completely safe. There is no guarantee that Google would not catch you even if you link to a single money site from each PBN. I personally think 1-2 money sites from the homepage and a couple of other internal less value links from inner pages of the PBN is a good balance. Make sure to add in a couple of authority sites links too in addition to those 3-4 money site links in order to make it look more genuine.

    Again nothing is completely safe in case of PBN. FFS nothing is fully safe even without PBN. I have had websites penalized by Google in the past with virtually 0 blackhat or greyhat links and completely whitehat natural organic links. Nothing is guaranteed. Google algos are not as perfect as you may assume to be. They are just a load of BS.
     
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  19. Djwillster123

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    you can even hire someone to build a pbn for you