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How Many Backlinks to Achieve This

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by letterman, Jan 13, 2011.

  1. letterman

    letterman Junior Member

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    I'm sure that many of you know that if you use a search enging with the term "click here" you will hit the page to download Adobe Reader. That page has very little content and there is no mention of "click here" anywhere on the page. So this proves the point that if you get enough links with a keyword you can rank for that word regardless of content. Adobe have acheived it against competition of 534,000,000.

    My question is this, how many backlinks to rank page 1 of search for a phrase with around 200,000? I realise this is not an exact science but I am interested in peoples opinions on this one.

    It could be fun to gather a bunch of people together from the selling section and run an experiment to see if we could get BHW top of search for a totaly unrelated phrase like "pink elephants".

    I'm just curious to see how easy it is to get ranked for unrelated keywords, i.e with no content.
     
  2. darkmobius

    darkmobius Regular Member

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    well i guess if you can find out how many backlinks Adoebe has to the "click here" then you will find out the ratio?
     
  3. letterman

    letterman Junior Member

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    True enough but click here is an extremely competitive phrase, there are millions of sites with a click here hypertext backlink. I think it would be impossible to find out how many adobe have because it would be in the millions.
     
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    cbnoob Senior Member

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    who wants to rank for a term like "click here"?
     
  5. BassTrackerBoats

    BassTrackerBoats Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    A large part of that is where the backlinks are coming from... are those pages where the backlinks are coming from backlinked... the PR and authority of the the page where the backlink comes from as well as the structure that the backlinks are in.

    I have 2 pages from one of my sites on page 1 of google with About 8,750,000 results (0.15 seconds) using a particular link building strategy on a site that is about 45 pages and about 3 years old. I don't have any more than 500 links pointing to it I am sure.

    It's not only numbers but you certainly do need numbers to rank.
     
  6. pasdoy

    pasdoy Power Member

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    It's not only about quantity, but theres quality of the links.
     
  7. oinky222

    oinky222 Regular Member

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    the number of sites competing for a keyword means absolutely NOTHING, and is by far the single WORST way to measure competition. for example, the keyword phrase "dog mistletoe party" has a competition of over 525,000 sites, yet would be practically effortless to rank for.

    think of it this way: if your goal was to win a race, and you could choose between a race with over 1 million competitors, or a race with only ten, which would you think your chances of winning are the best? what if you found out that the million racers were all obese midgets, while the race against 10 were all against Kenyans? if the top racer in one race can run a 5k in less than 15 minutes, and the best time for the other race is 1 hour, who cares how many competitors are in either of the races? if your goal is to be #1, all you care about is what the top time is that you need to beat.

    keyword research is the same way. it doesn't matter how many competitors there are, if your goal is to be #1, the only thing that matters is how tough the #1 opponent is to beat. instead of looking at how many competing sites there are, take a look at how good the on-page seo is for the top site, how many backlinks they have pointing to that page and to their overall site, whether or not the backlinks are using the keyword you want to rank for as anchor text, and whether or not the backlinks are coming from high PR sites or domains. that's the only way to know how tough the keyword is to rank for

    to do this in as little time as possible, i recommend checking out Traffic Travis and SEO Spyglass. They make keyword research much easier