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How long until negative SEO gets TOTALLY out of hand?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by DamageX, Oct 24, 2013.

  1. DamageX

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    As it seems now, we keep seeing more and more negative SEO performed on various sites. I would also venture a guess that many SEO agencies are slowly incorporating this as a part of their campaigns for clients. So more and more people will negative SEO their competition, and I believe it's only a matter of time before someone comes up with some nifty methods to neg SEO the big guys too.

    So how long before everyone neg SEOs everyone and how do you think Google will handle it?
     
  2. the-kashish

    the-kashish Junior Member

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    It has already started.
    Last week Ive done nothing but disavowing comment spam to one of my white hat sites.

    I've also seen a VPS provider with Gscraper loaded promoting its VPS as a negative seo tool.
     
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    Negative SEO is already a pretty big problem in the "fairly lucrative" niches. Not really the "mega lucrative" since those tend to have really strong sites, but it's a problem I already notice that is getting out of control in the mid-level niches.

    I don't think Google is lookin to plug this any time soon either. They basically tossed webmasters a placebo with the "disavow tool", and fixing this negative SEO problem I don't expect is high on their priorities list as it probably doesn't affect their bottom line that much.
     
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    2 months 12 days and 33 minutes
     
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  5. DamageX

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    The way I see it, it can well affect their bottom line, if the search results are filled with crap. Which will happen, if the top sites keep getting nailed. When a site drops from the top, due to getting smacked by neg SEO, a lesser one moves up a spot. This will, eventually, result in piss-poor search results.
     
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    I have seen several Negative SEO services being blatantly advertised.
    Things are already getting out of control.

    How will Google handle it?
    The same way they handle everything, with a half-arsed update.
     
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    Neg SEO only works if your site is weak. It used to affect my sites, until I learned the secret. ;) Now I'm ranking and banking no matter WHO tries to neg SEO me.
     
  8. Duffers5000

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    There are several negative seo gigs advertised in fiverr already. Usually phrased as "300,000 X Rumer backlinks"(be careful could possibly have negative results) nudge, nudge, wink,wink

    Im just trying out the disavow tool on one site at the moment. If it works then its going to be one more job for webmasters to do, like sweeping your drive at the weekend.
     
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    Google will do nothing, they could not care less.
     
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    Also, I predict that more and more SEOs will turn to blackhat methods (churn&burn sites) because white hat sites are simply too fragile... That should mess up the serps even more.

    It'll be interesting to see if Google can clean up the mess if/once it gets really bad. Because I'm still not sold on the disavow tool.
     
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    Here is the fix to all of Google's recent problems: accept links as equity and stop fucking around trying to stop link trade from happening.

    Links are equity, they should be freely sold, bought, etc... Isn't this a free market? Big money links = big money ranks.

    Google is desperately trying to make AdWords the only links you can buy. And with this stupid view of the WWW as their backyard, they're creating all sorts of distortions, nofollow links, disavowed links, etc...all patches just so AdWords can be good links and your favorte BST links are bad.

    Want to fix all problems? Let link trade run free. The market will regulate itself, bad links will be junkyard, good links will be Rolls Royce and not many people will afford them.... Until Google realises this, they'll continue to screw themselves up and negseo is yet another obvious collateral from their stupid strategy.

    Hey Google, AdWords will NEVER be a monopoly on links, no matter how you spin it. Better change things now before you join Altavista....
     
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  12. DamageX

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    I'm thinking this won't keep you safe, in the long term. As the weak sites keep dropping out of the SERPs, someone will eventually come up with a way to smack the stronger sites too. And they'll keep upping their game, as others are trying to one-up them.
     
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    For the small time webmaster google don't give a damn if your site gets neg seo or not.

    As there have all the data on search trends they will just hand edit the search results as and where necessary to keep the cash rolling in for a few years, the downside of this however is they are manipulating the search data themselves which over time will screw-up their own data.

    On a side note the more people that move away from google the weaker it will get. For myself if it?s in any way connected with google I will not use it unless I?m abusing it, and any data I can stop google from having I will. Yes for one man this is like pissing in the wind. But over time hopefully Google will die for pissing on its own users. Rant over
     
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    Send me URL for negative SEO case study :)
     
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    You're assuming the "highest quality" sites are always on top, which is definitely not always the case. Also mega authority sites that are negative SEO'd aren't always replaced by some crappy Adsense site.

    I have found that in many niches "acceptable alternatives" pop up in the place of the site that was Neg SEO'd. For Google's profits to take a noticeable hit, their search results will have to be completely ruined, which usually isn't the case.

    For example I noticed that the social signals niche (ie people that sell twitter followers, youtube views etc) is a niche that seems to have a lot of negative SEO. So when the top site gets smacked, another vendor just takes its place. Still a relevant search result for the query, but sucks for the site that got knocked off with thousands of xrumer links.

    As long as the person searching gets a somewhat "acceptable" answer to their search query, life will go on and Google won't give a sh!t about negative SEO.
     
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    Google will have to do something or they will get out of business and some other search engine will take its place. It happens all the time and no wonder it will happen again.
     
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    If google ever does go out of business, it will have nothing to do with their stance and actions towards negative SEO.

    IMO neg SEO is as important as spun content was 12 months ago, link farms a few years ago etc. They will eventually look at it, but it's not high up on their list....
     
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    Apparently there's more than a few ways to neg SEO a site. An idiotic female with little to no grasp of English language copied my content, beat my site in the rankings, and my site took a big hit unexpectedly.
     
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    They aren't gonna address the issue, because it isn't affecting the notable sites in the SERPs. But try blasting a popular authority site off Google's first page (e.g. RetailMeNot, BestBuy) and see if Google won't start looking for a solution.
     
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    I work for an agency and this is true. If the trust of your website is high and has authority, negative SEO won't affect it. Only the b.s., find a product on clickbank, throw up half-ass content and spam with 2.0's/GSA will fall. Also, if you want a site to do your negative SEO tests on... send me a PM. I'll give you a site and you won't move it. All I ask is that you're ready to do the campaign and let me know when you start. I want to track the results as well.