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How is this possible ? domain with 68 backlinks be on top for high difficulty keyword

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by sukhman21, Jun 23, 2014.

  1. sukhman21

    sukhman21 Registered Member

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    Hello guys,

    I have been doing and getting other companies to do SEO for my websites. I am a bit surprised here.
    One of my client owns a moving company and i checked the MOZ ranking and other factors for his domain.

    Domain Authority: 34/100
    Page Authority: 45/100
    178 root domains linking
    1129 total links
    Main anchor text (high difficulty keyword): 58 root domains link this keyword and there are total of 211 links containing this keyword/anchor text


    Competitor website:
    Domain Authority: 17/100
    Page Authority: 30/100
    10 root domains linking
    68 total links
    Main anchor text (high difficulty keyword): 2 root domains link this keyword and there are total of 3 links containing this keyword/anchor text

    Does having this low backlinks can still get you on first page of google ??

    I just dont understand this SEO process, everytime i think i now know a little bit, i see something else totally different and that website has higher ranking than my website.

    Can someone please explain this or provide me whats more effective for SEO than getting high PR backlinks or to attain high DA and PA ?

    Thanks so much..
     
  2. Gyuman82

    Gyuman82 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Could be cloaked links.
     
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    mecawi Regular Member

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    Kids of these days, have no imagination.
     
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  4. Hazel Rocks

    Hazel Rocks Newbie

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    What are the quality of the two sets of links, is the guy winning out because his links are contextual from high value pages or domains? That could be the answer, plus you sound over optimized
     
  5. methodman90

    methodman90 BANNED BANNED

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    They're just better backlinks than your client website.
    For better I mean, the competitors backlinks got higher PA/DA/TF/CF/PR, relevance than your client backlinks.

    Theres also to take into role countless on page factors. If you still judge the ranking of a site by his backlinks or score on some analytic site, then it's obvious you didn't understood much about SEO, as you say.
     
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    I think The Back Links Should Be Come From High PR , DA Sites with The Good Quality Of content . Which makes this best result .
     
  7. sukhman21

    sukhman21 Registered Member

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    The links for my website are actually from better DA and PA websites than the links on my competitor's website and plus i did get quality content for those pages, the links coming to competitor's websites are just links in text (not even from his niche). i understand there are more factors and i am actually working on them.. and yes obviously i didnt completely understood SEO lol.


    lol, i tried to figure it out but i don't see a reason why that website is on first page and mine is on 3rd page. haha.


    Yes that is a possibility that my anchors/website is over optimized. i am trying to remove backlinks from all PR 0-2 domains and maybe that will help...

    Thanks for replies guys.
     
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    SkyrocketSEO Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Lesson No.1

    DA/PA
    - That's so called metric produced by MOZ.

    PR - Created and used by Google to determine which site has more authority.

    Search engine you want to rank for - Google, not Moozle

    Lesson No.2


    Quality beats Quantity (especially on the long run)
     
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    The premise of your question is flawed, because you presume to know how many backlinks the competitor site has.

    All you can know is how many appear in your link tools, and that is almost certainly not the same as how many they have, particularly if they've made efforts to conceal their links from those link tools you use.
     
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    Maybe be quite many 301 redirects and also some he might have hidden links using own private networks by blocking ahrefs,majestic and similar bots
     
  12. sukhman21

    sukhman21 Registered Member

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    True, i am gonna try and remove all low quality backlinks for my website and will definitely be taking quality into consideration.... Thanks my friend.


    that is another thing, i only looked at MOZ and ahrefs sites to monitor competitor's backlinks...


    Thanks for some great response guys...
    Cheers
     
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    I don't think you need to remove all low quality backlinks. Even though they are weak links, they might still have value (regardless of how minimal). Keep the weak backlinks, it will give google a more natural feel. Focus on acquiring higher quality backlinks. With these combined, you will most likely see success
     
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    Ranking is not 1+1=2 game. And there are still many ranking elements that Google did not tell you.
     
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    The number of backlinks should not even be considered. If there is a backlink from a site that has high relevance and is actually quality, then it actually helps in ranking. Same thing with social accounts, etc.
     
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  16. methodman90

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    If by "1+1=2" you're meaning the rank is mathematic, then YES, it's "1+1=2 game", google uses an algorithm in order to give a score to each website and putting these in order.

    Or maybe you think the pages are being chosen randomly?
    That's why the only key is testing over testing.
     
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    seems like result of someone who followed ROI Optimization course :p

    same niche High PR backlinks specially from website's main content area than footer area is more powerful than 1000 non niche mixed PR backlinks from comments.

    analyze their backlinks and use them for your advantage. :)
     
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  18. sukhman21

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    working on checking competitors links... Thanks
     
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    These days quality beats quantity. It's better to have one backlink from a PR7 website than 1000 backlinks from PR0
    and Moz sucks, in my experience they dont show the majority of backlinks. they show like 10%
     
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    sukhman21 Registered Member

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    I Agree. its better to have high quality backlinks than to have more number of low quality links