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How is this guy number 1?? His marketing/SEO is so bad!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ghoast, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. Ghoast

    Ghoast Power Member

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    I was just analysing my top competitor's backlinks using SEOspyglass.

    He has 66 backlinks.

    All these backlinks are completely spammy - web2.0s (obscure ones) all with horribly spun content which is basically unreadable. Then in every single one of these web2.0s he's got 3 links to his site. These links have exactly the same keyword anchor text in the same order on every single one of his web2.0s..

    Furthermore he does NOT have an EMD domain so this isn't explaining why he's ranking so well..

    I thought this type of spammy marketing was gone now that the Panda update happened.. how the hell is he on the first position with this junk marketing? To me it seems to have footprints all over the place..

    SEO spyglass also shows a further 100 backlinks which he used to have which aren't even live anymore..

    SO why and how do you think google is allowing him to be number 1?

    Note: I have just started marketing my site so hopefully he will be fairly easy to overtake due to his spam blog links..
     
  2. Bizmarkie40

    Bizmarkie40 Junior Member

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    how much is SEO spyglass? has it been very useful? Thanks
     
  3. Ghoast

    Ghoast Power Member

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    Hi please don't hi-jack the thread - this is completely off-topic..

    but..

    http://bit.ly/A11os4
     
  4. drogon

    drogon Elite Member Premium Member

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    So SEO spyglass does not show any 301 redirect links?
     
  5. themidiman

    themidiman Power Member

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    Don't put too much stock in EMD's, they aren't what they used to be.
    It's hard to say without looking at the specifics, but most likely it's just not competitive.
    I have sites that sit at #1 with a single scrapebox blast, and have for 6 months+.

    Best thing to take away from this is that it should be no problem to take that position away from him.
     
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  6. Flurbuff

    Flurbuff Regular Member

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    the problem with tools like this is that they don't give you the whole picture. not even close.

    they are unreliable at best no matter what their sales pitch says. you will never, ever know what google knows when it comes to what's pointing at a site.
     
  7. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Try opensiteexplorer.org
    Not the greatest either, but might help you find some quality incoming links.
     
  8. banel

    banel Regular Member

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    Try ahrefs.com also.
     
  9. LakeForest

    LakeForest Supreme Member

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    Here's truth: The amount of first results that are SEO optimized are so few and far between. It isn't luck as much as the webmaster's inability to keep up with the changes, and everyone else on the results page for that same keyword is just as terrible at SEO.

    When you see something like that, compete against it directly. If the age of the domain is all they have as truly untoppable, attack it as hard as you can with backlinks and unique content.

    Guys, the internet at large still has no idea what torrents are...SEO is rocket-science to them.
     
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  10. DamageX

    DamageX Elite Member

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    So all the backlinks that show up for his site are a few dozen web2.0 blogs with spun text? Gee, ever think those in turn may have been blasted to hell and back with everything available, from ScrapeBox to XRumer and everything inbetween?
     
  11. Lutherblissett

    Lutherblissett Regular Member

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    well put


    also (i doubt this is the case). . if that site gets a lot of traffic somehow . . . that is part of SEO you'll never hear about . but it exists
     
  12. Ghoast

    Ghoast Power Member

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    Yeah, I don't doubt this at all, infact I expect it..

    The Web2.0s/Blogs that he has posted on seem to be sort of private blogs because on the same page as his links there are also like 20 other equally terribly spun articles about completely random niches with anchor links..

    I'm assuming it's a sort of, 'pay for PR3 backlinks' service where he's paid some guy to put up his article and links. Then this gets put up with all the other people's random spun niche articles..

    The main point I'm trying to make here is that ALL of the pages that link to his site are in the same structure, for example:

    Crappy content blah blah blah blah KEYWORD NUMBER 1 ANCHOR LINK blah blah blah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blah KEYWORD NUMBER 2 ANCHOR LINK blah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blah KEYWORD NUMBER 3 ANCHOR LINKblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blahblah blah

    I thought that this is the kind of thing that Google can see straight through.. In my view I would think the Google robot/spider would be thinking:

    This website has lots of web2.0 backlinks.
    All the web2.0 backlinks are in the same structure and have the exact same anchor keyword links in the same exact order.. hmm they're all spun articles. The other links and content on the pages are completely different and unreleated. Conclusion: Sandbox the site due to obvious marketing and link building..

    IMO it just looks SO unnatural! I would have thought Google could see straight throught it?
     
  13. themidiman

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    Yeah, those are private blog networks. Not quite the same as your free web 2.0.
    It's kind of hard for G to distinguish spam homepage in content links from genuine ones.
    This is one of the most powerful backlinks right now, as it's one of the hardest the devalue.


     
  14. seolabs82

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    should probably try private links soon. also look if there are any age old high pr 301 re-directs, even 1 such link will do the job of 10,000 profile links
     
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    drogon Elite Member Premium Member

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    Prob a BHW member LOL
     
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  16. Bizmarkie40

    Bizmarkie40 Junior Member

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    Thanks.
     
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    I saw this before, but in my case he had 3 local sites (directory (PR8) and two social bookmarking sites (PR6)) and with that he made all his spamy web 2.0 properties (hosted all over free hosts) PR3+. For content he used some spun crap, copy form wiki or unique content (just 2 or 3 sentences). And he ranked... :)
     
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  18. bijikpalir

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    Maybe you saw 1 of my sites or others bhw members sites that purchases services here.. Black Hat World quite a small world you know.. lol
     
  19. huykun

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    I've ranked many of my niche websites just using a few powerful private blogs that I've made, and it's still ranking now. I'd try investing your time to do so too, because crappy spam likes with 439874329843747294872394 backlinks ain't going to get you anywhere but last page.
     
  20. partymarty4870

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    all 1st level links - probably millions of 2nd/3rd/4th level links behind them

    also you gotta remember that the PR you see has not much relation to the PR google uses to calculate anything.