How I made up to 5k/month with free traffic and dating offers from 2016 to 2019 - My first profitable online business [Method]

Ignatius_Reilly

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I started -by chance- in late 2016 in online businesses. The first thing I tried -also by chance- was CPA, specifically dating offers for Spain (I'm from there). It's a very long story that would deserve its own thread, seriously it has all the elements of a movie (misery, rise, betrayals, enmities...), but in this thread I want to focus on the technical part.

Basically, I started spamming ES dating offers on the legendary IRC, on Spanish servers. I used link shorteners and the URL of the offer, just like that. I got the offers from some crappy CPA networks (the only ones that allowed me to register).

By doing that, I was able to see my first conversions. I don't remember exact figures, but maybe between 1-3 conversions per day. I want to emphasize this specific point because I've seen some recent threads here from people who are conducting experiments and are seeing similar results (a few conversions per day), and the question that needs to be asked at that moment is: Is this scalable?

In short, later on, I automated the process. Previously, I used to manually write/respond to private messages, the classic method of the ewhore. Later on, I also set up variations of the bots, some would respond to private messages, others would send them, write in the general chat every x minutes, etc.

I don't have programming knowledge beyond modifying an HTML of a landing page or something like that (and back then, not even that). I spent quite some time searching for code snippets here and there until I put together something somewhat functional, then polished it over time. I say this because if I could do it, anyone can, you just have to dedicate time to it.

I used to have 5-6 laptops connected 24/7 with several bots on each one. Back then, I didn't know what a virtual machine was.

- The bot

NOTE: The bot is in the mIRC language, meaning this code snippet would go in the mIRC program, specifically in the "remote" tab. You can download the latest version from its official website.

This would be an example of a bot that responds to private messages. It's configured to respond at 10 and 12 seconds with the first and second message:

Code:
On *:open:?:*:{

  /timer 1 10 msg $nick Married women in your area are seeking discreet encounters
  /timer 1 12 msg $nick ✅ WWW.EJEMPLO.COM ✅

Additionally, this code snippet should be added to the "aliases" tab:

Code:
/F4 /Close -cm $1

This code snippet also should be added to options>perform

Code:
/timer1 999999999999999999999999999 60 /F4

The last two snippets are for closing private messages every minute. One of the first things I had to fix was this, because when my bots had been connected for a while, they would crash due to the number of open private messages. These two snippets solve the problem.

Variations can be made to the code, as I mentioned before. For example, changing:

Code:
On *:open:?:*:{

To:

Code:
On *:Join:*:{

By changing that command, the bot will send private messages to everyone who enters the channel(s) where our bot is.

Another thing I always did whenever I installed a new bot was to include all moderators in the ignore list so that my bot wouldn't respond to them if any of them wrote to me. This has to be done one by one, using the command /ignore name or by clicking on the name and selecting "ignore".

IMPORTANT: Make sure to uncheck all tabs in the Options -> IRC -> Logging section so that the bot does NOT save conversation logs. I broke a couple of laptops until I realized they were crashing because of this reason.


- Some considerations to take into account

The most important thing to note is that this method is OBSOLETE. It's not functional today for multiple reasons. When I started, there were hardly any bans or people doing it. Bans were rare (as long as you were discreet and didn't abuse), and they were IP bans. Nowadays, they have really good anti-spam filters, at least on the servers where I used to spam. I'm talking about IP bans, domain bans, automatic shadowbans, word filters (register, mature, dating, etc.). In the final days, I remember having to rotate IPs/domains daily, change 0s to zeros, change the font of the texts... and even then it wasn't viable.

I've posted this because obviously I'm never going to use it again, and maybe someone can give it their own twist and make something functional and profitable out of it. The servers where I used to spam are heavily protected against spam, so if anyone wants to experiment, I don't recommend approaching any Spanish servers.

In its prime, my bot network was able to generate around 200-250€ per day for me. The quality of my leads was decent, despite being chat traffic. As a point of reference, I charged (for this specific type of traffic) 2.5€ per lead for ES. I also diverted some traffic to revenue share offers for a while, and the results were good.

My only expenses were some second-hand shitty laptops (a few thousand?) and a monthly VPN subscription (10$). Back then, commercial VPNs were allowed, but nowadays servers have filters that make it impossible.

From very early on, I began improving everything, in the sense that I quickly learned what a landing page, a tracker, a custom domain, etc., were. Additionally, I quickly jumped from the crappy networks I started with to more serious ones. That combination of things is what really allowed me to reach up to 250/day, not just my bots themselves.

Advertisers/networks are allergic to chat traffic, but if you manage to hide the source of your traffic (double meta refresh, etc) from them for a while and the quality is good, by the time they realize where the traffic is coming from, they usually don't mind because it's converting well for them. Practically ALL the advertisers I worked with knew the source of my traffic, meaning it was something agreed upon.
 
And what do you do today if I may ask :)

Lately, all I do is smoke joints, play video games, and decide what I want to do with my life. I'm not sure if I want to keep living in Spain or where I want to direct my activities. I have many ideas and projects on the table, but I'm lacking a bit of motivation, I guess it's just phases. iGaming is a sector that has always been attractive to me, perhaps I'll go in that direction.
 
Lately, all I do is smoke joints, play video games, and decide what I want to do with my life. I'm not sure if I want to keep living in Spain or where I want to direct my activities. I have many ideas and projects on the table, but I'm lacking a bit of motivation, I guess it's just phases. iGaming is a sector that has always been attractive to me, perhaps I'll go in that direction.
I'm in the same boat, and still trying to earn a bit from dating.
 
Try offline job and get yourself disciplined through routine. Nothing else to do.

Internet marketing is mostly about tests and connecting funny dots. Then pushing to the limit. Basically a ton of brainstorming and testing variables. You can have a winning combo just doing tests sparingly in your free time.

Find bigger traffic source that doesn't die just like that.

I generated most money from youtube. And it lasts to this day. It's just different rules but same site. Interesting.

When my first method on YouTube died, I was completely lost. After years of learning I realized back then I didn't understand what I was doing. Now I can create my own method on the fly.

Why big social media? All resources are available in abundance. And just creating them can yield a lot of cash. That is accounts, panels, views, comments etc. People make $500 a day just selling accounts.
 
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I'm in the same boat, and still trying to earn a bit from dating.

Try offline job and get yourself disciplined through routine. Nothing else to do.

Internet marketing is mostly about tests and connecting funny dots. Then pushing to the limit. Basically a ton of brainstorming and testing variables. You can have a winning combo just doing tests sparingly in your free time.

Find bigger traffic source that doesn't die just like that.

I generated most money from youtube. And it lasts to this day. It's just different rules but same site. Interesting.

When my first method on YouTube died, I was completely lost. After years of learning I realized back then I didn't understand what I was doing. Now I can create my own method on the fly.

Why big social media? All resources are available in abundance. And just creating them can yield a lot of cash. That is accounts, panels, views, comments etc. People make $500 a day just selling accounts.

No, I'm okay. I mean, I have some sources of income, and it's enough for me to live. I was actually referring to feeling lacking in motivation lately, but it's just phases.

Back in the day, I also tried something with YouTube; I did a couple of experiments with videos like "WhatsApp Spy APP," and in the description, I put a CPA smartlink. I even bought some fake comments, if I recall correctly. I'm not sure why I stopped trying with YouTube; as you rightly say, it's an immense source of traffic that will always be there.

What you mention about selling services/accounts is also interesting. I was thinking about it recently. In the end, all you need is proxies, SIM cards, and multilogin or similar.

The thing is, lately I find it EXTREMELY difficult to get to work. But as I mentioned before, it comes and goes, and eventually, I'll see something that really catches my attention, and I'll get motivated, as it usually happens.
 
Maybe do some sports like gym and realize caffeine is better than joints. Do some coffee, not marijuana. Best luck and get disciplined. You won't get far on "motivation". It's like you know, a job always starts at a certain hour and so you should start operations once you wake up. Routine is good for you.

I didn't mean to say you need a job for money. It's for structuring your life. You can learn from a proper job.

And a job you will want to have in the beginning probably won't be computer related. Do something just strictly for keeping your schedule and have no excuse to continue lazy lifestyle.
 
Maybe do some sports like gym and realize caffeine is better than joints. Do some coffee, not marijuana. Best luck and get disciplined. You won't get far on "motivation". It's like you know, a job always starts at a certain hour and so you should start operations once you wake up. Routine is good for you.

I didn't mean to say you need a job for money. It's for structuring your life. You can learn from a proper job.

And a job you will want to have in the beginning probably won't be computer related. Do something just strictly for keeping your schedule and have no excuse to continue lazy lifestyle.

Yes, you're absolutely right, and I appreciate your well-intentioned advice.

A few months ago, an old internet business partner contacted me. He wasn't doing anything with his life, and we agreed that I would set up a couple of things for him in exchange for 4k. He made an initial payment of 1k and another of 500€.

Once I handed everything over (already set up and generating revenue), he blocked me and disappeared, leaving me owed 2.5k. I don't want to go into details, but it was a psychological blow, to say the least. Even today, I see the businesses I set up for him, how they're making money, and how he's profiting.

I know I should be less emotional about these things and not let them affect me to this extent, but damn, I knew this guy for years. I handed him two businesses that are probably earning him between 200-300/day (or probably more), and the jerk scams me for just 2.5k? A guy who, before meeting me, was making websites in WordPress for 50€ and selling two a month. I got him into real businesses, and he made his first thousands with me years ago.

He came to my city, we spent the day together, went out to eat, talked about all the projects we could start, and it all turned out to be a well-thought-out and premeditated scam. That's why I chuckled the other day when I saw the post talking about scams.

I know I should try to be more robotic and approach all these things from a business perspective, but man, that hurt me as if someone fucked my girlfriend. If I already had trust issues before that, now I don't even trust my own shadow.

And there I am, still trying to lift my head up from that and trying to find motivation in some new project.

One thing that I find curious is that years ago when I started, I didn't know what I could do, I mean, I had no idea which businesses were real/potentially profitable. Now, it's the opposite. I start looking at potential businesses to focus on, and the range is infinite. I suffer from indecision because they all seem interesting and profitable to me. In fact, I have a huge list of ideas and projects that, for one reason or another, I never get around to implementing.

A few years ago, I was running cloaking Google Ads campaigns for casinos, and I was absolutely enamored with it. I came from running adult traffic and dating offers, with CPLs of 2-5€. With the casinos, we had CPAs of 300-400$, and the user ONLY had to deposit 10$ for the conversion to trigger. A CA account, WITHOUT OPTIMIZATION (meaning, in the same initial split test of 4-5 offers distributing traffic equally), generated 15-16k in 18 days with an ad spend of 2.4k, including in that ad spend the warming up of the account. I also have to say that I did that work for a third party (iGaming company) and that the initial expense was high (tools, proxies, accounts, etc.).

But to not stray further from the post, I would like @lucky.sparks also take a look, as I've seen from his posts that he's quite an authority in this type of automations/monetization methods.
 
Why not go back to casino offers then?

I wss scammed by my own family. I lost a shitton of happiness as a kid and wasn't provided enough, so it got me into deep trauma and working as a 13 year old. Not easy to work through it. It impacts my whole existence and every major decision.

Sounds that dude was just someone less reasonable than you might have thought. It's not uncommon. None of my friends was really as good as their impressions would suggest. Charm of friends shouldn't mean anything to us.

We should understand what types of personalities we're dealing with, so we can have strict rules to deal with peopls. It doesn't matter if it's wife, mother or even you yourself. You need to prepare for crisis in trust and bad decisions. And work on trauma using psychology. I use professional help for that and have books specifically for my problems recommended by specialist


I had friends for about 8 years. They turned out to cover many personality disorders. So better not meet them daily as I have had done. Especially listening blindly to what they say gave me a harsh lesson. Machiavellianism and similar stuff are real.

For example, you give a ton of value to your friend. In exchange you can't even expect hjm to help you. It's like... They're robbing you off your time, emotions, self esteem. You're a tool for them.

In BHW if you give value, people give likes and comments. They ask to do JVs and what not. They understand how to live life without destroying each other and gettting into trouble. But here are strict rules and fools just end up banned in dispute handled by mods.

And it's not like Reddit or Facebook. You give value and valuable connections in exchange. On Reddit and Facebook everyone is just random. And scrolling through Reddit is like going through lounge here at best lol. Discussions never happen. People can't keep it civil there. They don't even have avatars. Which is kinda idiotic.
 
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all I do is smoke joints..... but I'm lacking a bit of motivation, I guess it's just phase
You should stop smoking, mary jane is killing your motivation and focus.

It's not quite reasonable to read further and give any suggestions if you use.

Sorry I have seen too many friends wasting their potential due to abuse of that.

Once you quit and get a clear head start thinking about recurring revenue streams.

CPA is cool but it will be short term, once the method dies your revenue will die with it.
 
My boss was drinking everyday. People smoked joints during breaks. Even brought cocaine.

It's so annyoying for people around.

These thoughts about doubts if you're half retarded while high while being high are unfortunately sort of true. :D

No work ethics sir.
 
Excellent, thank you for information.
I have never heard of mIRC language, I will learn it for sure.
And do what? :D

You try to revive this method-e?

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Is that a bible of black hat on casino offers?

I want a copy.

I believe casinos are fine. They're just too fun to stop playing. :D

Fun can kill, yeah. I know. That's why I wouldn't sell fast cars on margins too.

I would donate them to charity, so poor people can eat them.
 
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I said I smoke weed, not that I inject heroin. My lack of motivation doesn't come from there. I'm not going to start a debate between proponents and opponents of cannabis; that's not the purpose of this thread. I'm not even saying it's a good or advisable thing, but a user asked me what I've been up to lately, and I gave an honest answer. I could have said, "I'm attending to my various sources of income," and it would have sounded better, but oh well.

I have never heard of mIRC language, I will learn it for sure.

I don't recommend it, I don't think it's used for anything useful. The bot that I left a few lines above is probably still functional with some tweaking, the problem is that most servers don't allow sending links or domains, not even with the letters separated in the format WWW EXAMPLE COM

Is that a bible of black hat on casino offers?

I want a copy.

No, bro, I had to look it up because I had no idea, it's "Consolation of Philosophy" by Boethius xD
 
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Okay, okay. You can just agree that smoking daily instead of pushing hard on weekdays is not the best choice. :D

No problem... So why you take it personally? :D

Instead of answering why you don't continue with casino offers you lowkey defend possibly illicit substance use.

Matter of habits. Maybe you *can improve*. You met with affiliate manager in the past if I remember correctly. And that's great.

We really didn't mean to focus on this. Just let's continue talking about experience IN CPA.

I don't recommend it, I don't think it's used for anything useful. The bot that I left a few lines above is probably still functional with some tweaking, the problem is that most servers don't allow sending links or domains, not even with the letters separated in the format WWW EXAMPLE COM
@Prot81 just learn software engineering, object oriented programming, relational databases and automation on internet. You have AI on top of that. Get into linux if you're interested in scripts.

By the way. Nootropics, isotonics, coffee, lifting weights. Making squats at work. I love it. lifting wifh your legs. Thinking positively. Smiling a lot. Talking nicely to yourself. Keeping integrity in harsh moments.

Better than drugs.

I have better feelings sober than on any drug. I can control my emotions thanks to cutting off use.
 
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My lack of motivation doesn't come from there. I'm not going to start a debate between proponents and opponents of cannabis; that's not the purpose of this thread.
That's exactly what my friends told too. You sound 1:1 like them.

They were so pro-cannabis and how much health benefits etc. They had some income too. But simply slowly stopped looking for improvements.

Motivation went down, they stopped focusing, they had a weird illusion of doing things and accomplishing daily work duties but in reality, they were lagging behind, a LOT.

But hey, it's highly subjective right, so keep killing your brain if you want to.

What is the purpose of the thread, I thought it's getting back in the game.
 
What is the purpose of the thread, I thought it's getting back in the game.
Yeah. But not alt tabbed video game in the background. :D

What I would like to see is xx steps plan of what to do next. Ideas and experiences. Nothing of personal matter.

What's going in your personal life should be solved with professionals. We just give hints on side.

I saw you can spam roblox groups on roblox site. But I don't know if it's that good. This site is very simple as it's for kids mostly. So accounts can be made right off the bat.

On another hand harder level is automating bigger website like YouTube or Instagram. It takes some skill. One macro wouldn't be enough.
 
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Okay, okay. You can just agree that smoking daily instead of pushing hard on weekdays is not the best choice. :D

No problem... So why you take it personally? :D

Instead of answering why you don't continue with casino offers you lowkey defend possibly illicit substance use.

Oh, don't misunderstand my words, I haven't taken it personally. And I completely agree with what you're saying. I didn't mean to recommend or advocate for cannabis or bad habits.
It's just that I don't like moralizing, in any form. Especially in a place like this.

But to make it completely clear: yes, drugs (all of them) are bad for health, and obviously, I won't be the one to say that they "improve" your performance or anything like that.

I'm not someone who goes out partying or drinking beer on weekends; my recent focus problems don't come from those kinds of external distractions. Like I said before, I just need to come across something that captures my attention, and everything will go back to normal.

Regarding your question about why I didn't continue with the casino offers, well, the answer isn't short, but I'll try to summarize. Basically, the cost is very high, and it's been 2-3 years since then; probably some things have changed, which may involve more trial and error, resulting in higher costs. About a year ago, I tried to test it with a partner; we each put in a couple of thousand. We decided to buy an already created account since I still have the contact that sold them to us. The guy made a mistake when entering the list of negative keywords and spent 1k and something on that mistake. They didn't want to issue a refund, and at that moment, I realized that a simple external error had already consumed a quarter of the total budget. It seemed ridiculous to continue.

I also tried to find investors. I first tried writing to people in the industry who might understand a bit of how things work, mainly casino streamers and such. Not one responded. Later, I looked among people who were NOT in the industry (family, friends, etc.), and I realized that when explaining the business to them, it was as if I were speaking Chinese to them. I'm also glad it turned out that way because after the last experience I had with an associate, I believe it's best to work alone.

So, I put that project in a drawer, and there it stayed, waiting for me to pick it up again at some point, which will happen sooner or later, as I said before, I became completely enamored with that niche.
 
I spent $2k on tests on web automation. I don't consider it high cost. It was just tests. Even 10% ROI can be good if you have enough money to scale.

Must have been in a rush to enter or not enter these negative keywords.

I take things slowly. Otherwise, I would build half done solutions. That's in software. But in PPC and ads, it's something as you described. Always double check. You have a partner to have 2nd pair of eyes. He wasn't good partner I guess.
 
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