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How I gamed adwords to make HUGE $$$$

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by nitin22, Apr 7, 2008.

  1. nitin22

    nitin22 Newbie

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    Hello everyone. This is basically a confessional thread bought exclusively first time at BHW. Couple of disclaimers a) Excuse me for my Indian English :) English is my second language. b) I have nothing but respect for Google. They made me money so why will I be disrespectful to them. c) I have nothing but extreme disrespect for traitors like Shoemoney, if we ever come across I will certainly slap him:) d) This technique still works, but not to the level it was working in peak time.
    Enough of pleasantries, now moving on to good stuff.
    It all started with making Google Adwords account with VCC / coupon. I used that trick to the extent where in it become embarrassment for google. Here was the technique in plain simple words.
    A> Go to https://adwords.google.com/select/main?cmd=Login&sourceid=Yh91503
    B> Create an adwords account with a fake email address.
    C> While creating adwords account, use CAPS for TITLE, DISPLAY and use cRAzy letters for display URL. Put any display URL does not matter. Keep in mind you are a pirate doing slash and burn. Ugly sells. Just create the description in a way so that people click on your ad and you are done with your 50$ free credit in few minutes.
    D> Set budget as $50, put bid in a way so that you always come in top. For example in ringtones I was bidding like 2.5$ to 4.00$ depending upon day / time of the day.
    E> You need to have access to places where in you can create VCCs. When you create the account, adwords validates your CC with just 1$. Typically with banks I worked with, they allowed you creating 1$ VCCs and if you don?t use the money, the money comes back to your account in 2 days. So with adwords they were doing pre authorization (not actual charge), so after 2 days I was getting even 1$ back. I started creating 20 VCCs a day, create adwords account loaded with 50$, burn them fast and may be make 8$ per account. Keep in mind it was blackhat and google was very quick to catch your account and disable it.

    So that?s how it got started. It worked fine for 4-5 days then I put the plan into mass production. I will be truthful, before me there was another guy who was ruling adwords for ringtone. I was frustrated with him occupying all 8 ad spaces. So I moved on to phase production.

    I wrote a tool to kind of semi automate account creation process. Adwords has put in bugs in the system, so that you can never fully automate your application. For example many of the times when you enter CC information, it will give error as their engineers have been notified for the unknown error. Adwords is full of these errors, which may not be very visible to regular people, but with us who used to game adwords with 500 accounts a day in peak time, we knew ins and outs of their system.
    Also I run a sweat shop factory in India, where in when I see an opportunity I just kill it with my cheap labors:) I hired 24 people working round the clock in 8 hour shifts. All just using my tool to create adwords accounts. I put in all description / titles / destination URLs etc in a database and they can access it thru a script. For display URL I asked them to go as wild as they can. So most of the time they were using extreme crazy display URLs.
    I came out with the concept of rapid fire round. So for example a rapid fire round will start at 8 PM. From 8 PM to 9 PM, all 8 people will create and burn account for ringtones only. Destination URL really does not matter. In all the cases it was almost same (I was using 3-4 affiliate programs). Only thing adwords care about is display URL. You can use any display URL in short run. They will find out that your display URL is spam and they will ban the account, but heck all you need is 10 minutes.
    So in rapid-fire round in one hour they will work like mad to create and burn accounts for ringtones. Believe me it was total domination. I was dominating all 13 ad spots for ringtone. My old competitor was now suffering. Eventually we came to understanding where in first I used to game adword for one hour then it was his turn. Like that we used to take turns on adwords. We started diversifying using different verticals like ringtones, dating etc.
    You can read much about at many different sites, like wickedfire, shoemoney, zacjohnson etc. At times they show screenshots of my competitor at time they show our screenshots. Most of the time they were thinking it is just one guy meshing up the system.
    At my peak time I was creating 500 accounts a day.
    Sure all good things in life come to an end. There are aholes in real life. Shoemoney double crossed us. He came to understand the whole scoop through a smaller player gaming adword (there were tens who were doing it, but it was just two of us, who were doing it to this magnitude). In order to lick ass of google, he personally followed the whole issue with Google. Explained them step by step what we were doing and helped them come out with a system to ban us. Why I ridicule shoemoney is I understand what were doing was BH, but no one likes spies. Even in school if you have someone who just reports back everything to headmaster, what do you think of that guy. I never expected this from someone as reputed as shoemoney. There were few others like Uberaffiliate, Jon at wickedfire who smelled it, but followed the unsaid Omatra among publishers.
    Here come the fun part of playing hide n seek with google. Google a company with pride (I respect them for this only reason), instead of killing the voucher link, they went after the real problem. Here is what they did. First they contacted our affiliate companies (It is true) and told them to stop us, else Google will ban the affiliate companies URLs in adwords permanently. Sure a few stopped working with us, but remaining were brave enough not to knuckle under pressure from google.
    Second they stopped accepting VCCs issued from my specific bank.
    Who cares in India we had 3-4 different banks offering same service. I had accounts everywhere. So we started gaming using the other bank.
    Even the other got banned. No problem third one. Then we moved out of India.
    In the meanwhile google changed their algorithm. So it became increasingly difficult to use any display URL / use affiliate destination URL in adwords.
    Later in the game we started purchasing US gift cards for smaller values and here was another BH trick. We found out that if ur Card Company allows multiple account authorization by same client, you can use the gift cards for huge number of times. So I used to purchase 10$ gift card, use it 10 times:) Later use gift card to purchase domains.
    Then they started approving all adwords account created using vouchers manually. So sure all spammy accounts were banned at the sight itself. Came another trick where in we started creating adwords account using some good regular site (doesn?t matter which one). Set the budget as 1$ and bid as 0.1 $. When account gets approved (usually within 10 minutes), create another campaign for ringtone:)
    They tweaked their algo again, stopped accepting gift cards from the companies that I was using, tweaked algo again so that now their algo can SMELL spammy ads real fast.
    As of now it has come to the level where in most of the verticals you will hardly get a thousand impressions before ur account will get killed.
    Effective March 15, I stopped using this trick.
    However on March 15, below were the observations.
    A> You can still use whatever display URL, you want.
    B> When u create account, create it with any good URL
    C> don?t experiment; just understand the truth that your account will be banned within 1000 impressions.
    D> Your gift card company will be banned in 3 days.

    Does this technique still work? Yes it does. If you are doing it all by yourself, then it still works. Go purchase a 5$ cheap gift card, purchase 99 cent .info URL put good landing page create campaign, it will work. For me I am moving on to other aspects as I have a team and liability so I can?t just focus upon creating 2 accounts a day thinking about how to make pennies out of adwords. I run a factory where in once I smell money I first try it myself and then put the stuff in factory environment. Many of my effective leads come by people at forums who tell us some BH / GH stuff, we make a killing in partnership. Imagine running your money making idea with a team of 25 people Most of the time we being in India, not much can be done against us.:) Also to make things very clear, we really do not do extreme blackhat stuff as in to cheat affiliate companies / our clients. We follow simple philosophy of being loyal to people who are paying us the money.

    Coming back to Adwords, the other option is just lie idle for some time. Give google something under the belt. They are very proud company. Let them have the pride of winning at end. Sit idle for a year or so and then retry this technique with vengeance. By then they will be focusing upon something different and you will get good 10-15 days of solid run:)
     
  2. Essential Clix

    Essential Clix Executive VIP Premium Member

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    So you're the adwords bandit, eh?
     
  3. nitin22

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    one of two
     
  4. Essential Clix

    Essential Clix Executive VIP Premium Member

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    I liked your work :cool:

    I never figured shoemoney to be a snitch (sorry that was sarcasm)
     
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    I figured him to be a snitch
     
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    Great man!! Even I'm from India!
     
  7. frizli

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    there are many of us....INDIAN'S
     
  8. MontyzPython

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    Nice work. I'll probably never try anything of that magnitude but it's fun to read about it.
     
  9. Subject

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    I am also from India.... I liked your idea that, when this method worked, he kept this as a secret... Now this method is not working for him and he is going to do some other things, he is telling here....... I really appreciate it!!!
     
  10. Zso

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    Really nice! However I don't get it... how did Shoe figured out that you are using vouchers?
     
  11. nitin22

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    I dont want to make this thread as bitching against shoemoney thread. He was an ass to be in bed with google. neway here i link to his post which should make things clear for most of u. hxxp://www.shoe**money.com/2008/02/04/google-adwords-still-getting-owned/

    Also as I said still lot of people are doing it, but now I am retired from this game for now. So some of you can read my post, fill in the blanks and may start gaming adwords daily for 50$-100$ Thats what is really the intent is.
     
  12. RingtoneMan

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    Hey Nitin22,

    I'm suprised to hear from you, but then again I'm not. I guess I would say I was your competitor during the 6 month span of advertising ringtones. You are right about a lot of things, so, I can verify that you were one of my competitors. I do remember you with the crazy domain names with some caps and some not with. I spoke with Shoemoney on the phone but he had nothing to do with Google changing their system. He actually gave me good information about what Google's engineer's said and/or thought. I don't know why I'm even responding to your thread, but, I thought the "cat is out of the bag" already, so, whats the harm. Although, Google still has some bugs in their system I'm slowly figuring out, just like before. PM me if you wish.

    RingtoneMan
     
  13. nitin22

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    Man:) Finally meeting frat brother:)
     
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    So essentially at your peak you were making like $4k per day affiliate money while getting about $25k worth of Adwords ads for free?
     
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    Great post. I agree, this is what the internet is all about. Just need to think outside of the box :) Well done!
     
  16. Whisker

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    lol, what a slave.
     
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    I don't see what you are so proud about. You went beyond abusing the system by trying to flaunt what you could do, and Google shut you down.

    There were tons of other people gaming adwords, myself included. However, instead of creating identical campaigns that are completely and obviously spam running at the same time, most people seemed smart enough to know to diversify what they were advertising.

    If you had divided up your accounts and not have every single account advertising the same exact thing at the same exact time, you may still have been exploiting adwords to this day.

    The key to longetivity is to not get caught. Either way though, good job making some money.
     
  18. nitin22

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    You do one account a day or you do 500 accounts a day, it is blackhat. You care about longevity in whitehat. G may decide to shut down voucher any day.:) u can never make a long term business model around something which is total blackhat. Who cares about running a BH campaign for 10 years. We make as much money in 1 day as others were making in whole months. Key in BH always is exploit it to the maximum level collect the loot and run away. Never even think that it will go forever. After that move on to something else.
    That's what exactly I am doing right now. Working on some mega BH right now. With Adwords I made gud money in little time, jumped the ship at proper time and now I am in a new boat.

     
  19. jayzee

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    i think this forums haves a lot of info on how to buy those, the only thing is that i wonder if the method will still work in a long run, he claims that google will refuse ur vcc`s in 3 days, perhaps u can make a ton of money if you get clever enough, but...

    how about slowing it down?? just to earn a couple of hundreds each day ??? do you think u will get baned fast?

    by the way, GREAT JOB i dont see why not to take advantage of google

    also i wonder why they havent closed the $50 dollar gift offer, i think they will do that soon, if you were scaming them for 25k per day i dont think they will like this to happen again
     
  20. nitin22

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    U dont have to buy the voucher. it is free. just follow this link hxxps://adwords.googleXcom/select/ma...urceid=Yh91503