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How Hard Would It Be To Rank For The Term "Football Software" or "Basketball Software"

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gmarch25, Nov 19, 2011.

  1. gmarch25

    gmarch25 Junior Member

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    Im an SEO newb...

    I bought Scrapebox and am trying to rank my website

    beatthecompetitor (dot) (com)

    on the first page of google when someone searches either

    "football software"
    "basketball software"
    "coaching basketball software"
    "coaching football software"

    How difficult do you guys think this will be?
    Any tips?

    I've been using scrapebox to buildbacklinks but that's about as far as my knowledge goes!
     
  2. slattzo2000

    slattzo2000 Newbie

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    1) although scrapebox is great, its clearly not a "primary tool"
    2) to get an idea of competition (ease of rank) for a term, do this on google...
    Allintitle:<keywd phrase here>
    Resulting number gives competition perspective
     
  3. gmarch25

    gmarch25 Junior Member

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    lol news to me that scrapebox isn't a primary tool...It's pretty much the only thing I know how to use..so i'm glad i made this thread.

    do you mean like a keyword tool search?

    "football software" has 590 exact searches a month
    and "basketball software has "480" exacts.

    All I really know is scrapebox. Any other advice?
     
  4. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Taking a quick look, it would be pretty easy.
    My first step would be take the top 5 sites, get all their backlinks, and go to those sites and try and get your site listed using the same keywords.
    Make a few web.20 properties, blast them with SB.
    Get an article submit service, blast those links with SB.
    You should be #1.
    And you got a PM for a bonus hint to get ranked as well.
     
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    gmarch25 Junior Member

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    Ok I am going to be taking your advice and I just bought the domain name you told me to.

    I will bump this thread as I progress

    As far as the other things you mentioned....I am a newb, so It's going to have to try and figure all that stuff out...Do you mind if I PM for help?
     
  7. slattzo2000

    slattzo2000 Newbie

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    Yes, scrapebox is usually a second level tool -- to boost link indexing and backlinks to primary links (including those u get via competitor research)
    Dont discount what i wrote about "allintitle:" -- those counts are a great indicator.
    As for the other responses -- they answered "how do i rank..." and not the question asked "how difficult or competitive are these terms"
     
  8. slattzo2000

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    Doing an allintitle:<keywd phrase> (or allintitle:"<keywd phrase>") search tells ME those are pretty competitive keyword phrases. I think u have a much bigger uphill battle than the previous replies indicted.
     
  9. gmarch25

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    how do u do that?

    so why did everyone else say it "seemed easy" :confused:
     
  10. slattzo2000

    slattzo2000 Newbie

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    Notice -- they disappeared from thread... Not simple.
    Type into google (no quotes) "allintitle:football software" - number returned when u seRch is count of pages with that in title, ie... Likely seo practicing competitors. One of ur terms had 43,000 -- not easy for a noob
     
  11. jon_xx_x

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    You don't really know what the hell you are talking about. He's on page 3 in a matter of two days by me telling him to buy the EMD for one of the keywrods. No it's not the 43,000 results one, but proof those keywords are easy to rank for. With a couple links he'll be on the front page, and a handful more he'll be in first.

    Sometimes it's better to read and learn, than to pretend you know what you're talking about. There's more to keyword research than allintitle.
     
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  12. slattzo2000

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    Prove me wrong -- id love to see a new site break the top 5 for "football software" -- avg site age 10yrs and an avg backlinks count of 10,000. I like ur ideas, but contend those phrases arent as easy as u say.
     
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    Okay, I'm going to spend a bunch of time and effort on something that will make me no money just to prove some noob wrong.

    Actually I did prove you wrong, he ranked high for the other keyword with very little work.

    Time for school.
    Site#1:
    www.coachsoffice.com
    Roughly 483 links in
    Roughly 20 from unique domains
    Don't even think one anchor is "Football software"

    Site#2:
    www.compusports.com
    Roughly 1000 links in
    Roughly 30 from unique domains
    Rough look, I don't see one anchor as "football software"

    Site#3
    Footballsoftware.com EMD
    Couple hundred crap links in
    Handful actually use "football software" for anchor.

    Majority of all links above are from
    1) directories
    2) sites with link directories
    3) shareware sites

    Not sure where you're getting 10,000 links from.

    So you
    1) submit to directories
    2) create articles, submit to article directories
    3) find the sites that link to them on their link pages, ask for a link on that page too.
    4) create demo version of software, submit to few hundreds software sites.

    blast some of those properties, and you're #1.

    45,000 all in title really isn't that much.

    Class dismissed.
     
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    Why am I getting 4.7 million when I allintitle, I'm missing something here...
     
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    Whatever hard it is, It became harder since you posted this thread.
     
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    how do u do your keyword research?....m really keen to know....
     
  17. euhero

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    Market samurai can do this job pretty well when you want to do keyword research and to get all the backlinks of your competitor you should get Seo spy glass from link assistant. You can rank higher from then on. As jon_xx_x said, create web 2.0s and blast it with scrapebox. Dont blast scrapebox directly on your website because it is new.

    Good luck
     
  18. jon_xx_x

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    I usually just use google keyword tool.
    Then I take 100 keywords or so and check if there are any EMDs available.
    For checking competition I use:
    http://www.backlinkwatch.com (only shows 1000 links)
    and
    www.opensiteexplorer.org
    I usually check the top 5 rankings.
    Then I also use "allintitle: keyword" to see how many are competing.
    I've done enough keyword research that I know enough by looking at keywords how hard they are. What I mean is, I don't even need tot ake the time to look up the high paying niches like loans, lawyers, whatever else there is, because they are obviously competitive.
    Other than that, I don't really care how or who is ranking, I'm confident enough I can compete against anyone. Ranking isn't as hard as I once believed it was. All it takes is some good content, some money for services, and a bit of outside the box thinking to get even more links, and you should be on your way. Then you just slowly chip away at it, and climb the top 100 till you're top 10. Then you slowly climb up that ladder as well.
     
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    You should also use EasyWPSEO or SEOPressor - backlinks are great, but can get you banned sometimes if you hit 'bad neighborhoods'..

    If you do not start with on-site SEO you might as well not even try. You need a 2-4% KW density, plus all the other major things H1,h2,h3 kws..etc...

    EasyWPSeo is in the downloads section, so is SEOPressor.. EasyWPSeo is my fave though cause it looks at your whole page, not just the post but the metatags, sidebar, etc...
     
  20. slattzo2000

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    Jon: 1) your link counts are flawed. 2) the site in question hasnt and prob wont rank as quickly or as easily as u said