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How Hard Will It Be To Rank For This Keyword?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by charlie3, Dec 7, 2010.

  1. charlie3

    charlie3 Senior Member

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    So there's a keyword I'm thinking about buying a domain for that has 75k (global) exact searches a month, but only 4,400 (local) exact searches. What's the difference between those? On the Google keywords tool it says global is all search queries for Google.com, but local is only for a specific country. Would I be getting the 75k traffic or only the 4k?

    Unfortunately I can't get an exact match, but I can get:

    1. keyword2k.com - someone told me that was the next best thing after exact match
    2. keyword.co.cc - how hard is it to rank for that type of domain?
    3. thekeyword.com - it goes the word "the" then the keyword (to avoid confusion)
    4. key-word.net - the keyword is made up of two words so there would be a dash in the middle

    The majority of the competition is PR1 or 0 with less than 50 backlinks to the page. None have .edu or .gov backlinks and only a few are actually optimized onsite for the keyword.

    The only site I'm worried about is the #1 ranking site. It has around 900 backlinks to the page and around 1100 to the total domain. It's an exact match sub-domain so it looks like this: "keyword.blogetery.com" but it's a PR 0. It also has 1200 pages indexed if that helps.

    I know about SEO and a lot that goes into it, but I'm still a bit fuzzy on actually reading the competition sometimes. I got all this information from Market Samurai too (awesome tool).

    Thanks for your help! :D
     
  2. BlueKing

    BlueKing Newbie

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    According to my knowledge, this won't be very hard to rank for. For SEO, I would choose "key-word" (assuming it's 2 words keyword, like "modern cars"). For branding, I would go with "thekeyword". You could rank 1 with some web 2.0, commenting and bookmarking.
     
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  3. charlie3

    charlie3 Senior Member

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    That's great. Thanks so much I really appreciate it :D
     
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    JesusBack Executive VIP Premium Member

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    I don't really like doing the -'s since it loses a lot of return visitors. I'd recommend "the" personally.
     
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    flaktrak Power Member

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    I dont mind the infront... has worked for me.. but I think it is bobbylove321 who said the doesnt work to well. So you might want to pm him and ask why? Only thing I can think of it is probably better to have the keyword first for google bot to take it more serious.
     
  6. charlie3

    charlie3 Senior Member

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    I'm more leaning towards the dash in the middle of the keyword. Not specifically for any reason other than with the word "the" in front of the keyword it sounds kind of odd. Almost like a product or brand.

    If it doesn't really matter between the two in regards to SEO purposes I'd probably go for the dash.
     
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    flaktrak Power Member

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    dashes used to be easy to rank. Since may day update though I am finding my old dash domains have gone and my new ones not really getting anywhere. Might be just me though. Would be interesting to see if anyone else finds this?
     
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    d4l1t0s Power Member

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    In my experience keywordsomething.extention worked best for me
    and for the competition you can take number 2 easily :)
    and for the number 1 , well 9K backlinks are not a lot for Xrumer :)
     
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    aarontorng Registered Member

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    hey this is a bit off topic, but would you guys recommend market samurai? is there any way to get it for free?
     
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    This shouldn't be a problem. Take a look for those #1 backlinks, if they are blogs and profiles even easier. Enumerate what can be copied and add more yourself :)
     
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    go for "thekeyword.com" ... it is easy to rank the domain with dash but if your keyword is not in full form it will not help you for organic search a lot.. and global search is equal to all over the world while local search means the particular area you are capturing..
     
  12. charlie3

    charlie3 Senior Member

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    Yes. Market Samurai is one of the best tools for keyword research. Narrow your keywords down to a pretty small list then you can go wayy deep into finding about your competition.

    Thanks for the input. Just wondering, but how effective is the exact keyword domain? Like can I outrank a PR 4 or 5 site that's not optimized for the keyword and only has a few backlinks to the exact page?

    I'm just wondering how much weight is applied to the exact keyword domain. I'm trying to get a better handle on gauging my SEO competition.

    Thanks! :D
     
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    Yes, you certainly can outrank those pages, at least for a while.
    I'm assuming this is your first real test into SEO, good luck. There are no set rules, and different things work differently for different niches. It takes a lot of testing. It will be fairly competitive to get to the top, but far from impossible. Honestly, you probably will just have to land a couple hundred social media links back to your site with the proper anchor tagging (anchor your keyword). I'd suggest do a directory submit for say 1000 backlinks, and get someone to do some social bookmarking. If you could work yourself into some quality links w/ some PR2+, and a good edu link then you would probably sit on the top of the rankings some time. It would probably take you about 3mos to get up there. Be patient, if it shoots up the rankings, there's a good chance it will get flagged and banned. If you land somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 keyword anchor texted backlinks then you will probably make it to #1.

    This is just guesses though. Something important to look at in Market Samurai is the anchor text of the other competitors in your niche. If a lot of people have your keywords as anchor texts, then it will be more difficult, but I doubt it. This is a fairly long tail keyword.

    Also yes, go for thekeyword.com. Having the keyword in the domain can and likely will make you rank higher than a pr 4 or 5 that don't have it. It helps, and performs better than dashes. I've tried both in the same niche.
     
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  14. charlie3

    charlie3 Senior Member

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    Thanks Superdude22. That's pretty much what I've been looking for. And this isn't really my first SEO test, I've done others, but you can say this is my first one gauging the competition :D

    Too many past mistakes to go into niches or keywords with which I have NO chance.