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How far is too far?

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by pdaguy9, Oct 24, 2007.

  1. pdaguy9

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    Hi all,

    I have completed some research on a niche that I think can be very profitable and am currently putting together a guide to sell to that niche. (The niche is adult in nature - not porn specifically)

    My question is: Some of the tactics I will cover walk a very fine line between what is legal and illegal. But the potential profits are HUGE. Would you do it or forget about it?
     
  2. nova

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    Obviously do it if it brings in the $$$$$.
    Heck last I checked this was a black hat forum ;)
     
  3. Michel

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    Depends on what you mean with legal and illegal.
    If you mean cloaking, that is not illegal.

    Michel
     
  4. pdaguy9

    pdaguy9 BANNED BANNED

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    No. I'm not talking about any type of internet, website, seo, or IM tactics. I'm talking about legal and illegal in terms actions that a person may take.

    Sorry if it sounds confusing, but I can't say much more than that.
     
  5. gts6

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    are you saying illegal as in "against a sites policy" or illegal in the sense of "felony and going to prison" ?

    if the latter, i would say stay away, prison time is not worth the few extra $$ you will make, plus they will probably only take it away from you anyway once you are caught
     
  6. pdaguy9

    pdaguy9 BANNED BANNED

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    Yes... the going to prison route.

    All of my tactics would be legal (not exactly moral or ethical), but if someone read my guide and went a too far with my tactics, they could end up in trouble.
     
  7. Michel

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    hmmm.

    I would stay away from it.
    Enough to be made on the internet, not illegal!
     
  8. pdaguy9

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    That's exactly why I'm torn. Because what I would present would be legal. The problem stems from the user. If they took it too far and went over that legal line, could I be held liable for instructing them?
     
  9. Michel

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    Not if you instruct the legal part.

    Same goes for a member off a gun club/ shooting club whatever you call it....

    You will teach him how to fire a gun, next he kills someone.
    They can't hold you liable for that.
     
  10. SoupNazi

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    I have a little experience with that, but in a different arena. I designed a system years ago which was revolutionary in what it did and is still light years away from other products in the industry.

    Mind you, it was not an eBook - it was a service, software and a system.

    It was legal IF the users did not go TOO far with it. But as Black Hatters go, when you make a LOT of money with it - and I am not talking about change here - some of them were making 6 Figures a month and there are many articles STILL on the net about them and what they did - well, my system was behind their success.

    Although I CLEARLY outlined the legal usage of the system and tried my best to keep some guys away from it, that I KNEW would abuse it, one day I got "that" knock on the door and ended up in Federal Court - a two year battle.

    I was cleared of any intentional wrongdoing, as I was a provider of the service, a software designer, and clearly had a record of stating it was for legal purposes and should not be abused. But sometimes in winning, you still lose. After a high 5 figure legal battle, I was/am still able to use my system, but the powers that be wanted my system OFF the "general" market (they could not defeat it) and although I won, THEY won too. It almost broke me mentally, physically and financially.

    So, what I am saying is this:

    You can give all the legal disclaimers you want.
    You can offer it anyway you want..

    BUT

    If it is effective and actually WORKS and makes you and others a LOT of money, someone is not gonna like it. And that someone may be a 900 Pound GOrilla :)

    In the end, I said fuck it and started back using my system (after modifying it to make damn sure it could not be abused or used illegally). I got a great lesson in how to use it and to whom to allow to use it though.

    I cannot be more specific either, as some of you will know about it and me after reading this - IF you've been on the Net for more than a few years. I've stayed under the radar ever since but I still make money with a highly modified version for the new Internet, with a small group of associates that wouldn't even THINK about crossing the line.

    If you have something that works, DON'T whore it out. GET PAID and GET PAID a LOT for it... bank your money and be ready to fight IF you have to.

    Do what you can by stressing it is for legal use and that you will disassociate yourself from anyone if you find that he/she is abusing it and you will try to take it away/disconnect it, etc. (if you can).

    You may be fine.. you may not. What happened to me was some years back and my ass still hurts when I think about it... but it was a great ride and it still is. I learned a lot about how the real big guys REALLY play the game.

    Just be careful.. and as they say.. no nuts, no glory.

    Have Fun and Do What You Feel. Some of the richest guys in the world did shit we'd be UNDER the jail house for if WE did it :)
     
  11. pdaguy9

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    Damn SoupNazi

    I don't think my product will generate that kind of money for me or my users, so no one to really piss off.

    Although I'd love to know more about what it is you developed!!...

    I keep coming back to the line in the movie "Heat", when Jon Voight's character tells Robert DeNiro "There's too much heat on this job, you should walk away".

    And DeNiro, after a minute of thought, says... "It's worth a stretch".
     
  12. SoupNazi

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    Then what are you waiting for? DO IT :)

    Good Luck. You should be fine.
     
  13. booman

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    How much is this "guide" gonna cost???
     
  14. Essential Clix

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    Yeah.. and look what happened to DeNiro at the end of that movie....
     
  15. Ruck

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    LOL...

    And Essential_Clix pulls everyone back to reality:)
     
  16. Uptownbulker

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    Lemmee 'splain this to you............

    It's like when you're drivin' down the road and the speed limit sign says "30 MPH".

    This means that 29 MPH is OK, 30 MPH is OK but that 31 MPH is not OK.

    Now you may be able to get away with 35 before you get a ticket but........

    ...if you +ss off the officer, you will get an addtional ticket for "Excessive Display Of Speed" or "Excessive Noise" or "Leering With Intent To Mope".

    Got nothing to do with what is "ethical" or "moral" as those terms are constructions; variable to the max.

    It's whatever you think that you can get away with based on the avialable infomation and what your conscience tells you is OK.

    Ther is no reason to scam; there is plenty of good money to be made straight up.
     
  17. pdaguy9

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    ummm... what?
     
  18. hotstox

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    this just screams child porn related, and I just hope I am wrong. If it is CP related stay the fuck away please, but your being rather vague so it's hard to say. If you wish to at least pm me some minor details I could probably help you make your decision a lot better. If it were just some gray area, then I could see you having questions about NOT doing it, but you seem to be trying to talk yourself into something you know is wrong, or is going to be abused. When in doubt etc.
     
  19. pdaguy9

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    Relax. It's not child porn... for Christ sakes!
     
  20. HaRRo

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    pdaguy you should pm me more information on it, and i will ask my legal time how it would turn out free of charge ofcourse.

    Up to yourself. I have too been in many situations that are on the boarderline of being illegal.