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How effectiv is a pbn with just web 2.0s?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by deepblack, Aug 24, 2014.

  1. deepblack

    deepblack Regular Member

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    Hi,

    is there anyone who is building his pbn with just using web 2.0s?

    If yes, how effective would that be? In the beginning I dont think it would be
    powerful enough and without building backlinks to it, it would be maybe a waste of time.


    Any ideas or experience sharing?
     
  2. xha44a

    xha44a Power Member

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    Without building backlinks to it I would suggest it is a waste of time. I haven't tested it (with no backlinks & linking to main site), but I think 0 authority x 100 0 authority web 2.0's is still 0 authority. That's just my math though. Better is to power up your Web 2.0's in a manner that gives your web 2.0's some authority & relevance.

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  3. ThopHayt

    ThopHayt Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Well I would argue that web2's can't be a PBN... the domain isn't private. Not to say that they are worthless, but you'll need a LOT of content and constant updating which is more work than a PBN.
     
  4. Saviour

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    I have a network of 50 public domain web2s that i use to direct to my money site. Each web2 i have spammed like 3k-5k links. In ahrefs it shows a power of 22-25 and yes soem of the web2s have ranked for the targeted keyword on page 5-6 also. So yeah web2 def helps provided you do it right and build backlinks to those. Buzz me up if you need further help
     
  5. cashcorp

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    Just standalone Web 2.0s are going to make a more or less useless PBN. You'll want to back them up with second tier links, for sure.

    Really, best practice is a REAL pbn, powered by Web 2.0s.

    So Moneysites <- PBN <- Web 2.0s <- Gsa/Links
     
  6. radiant13

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    Web 2.0 is not the definition of PBN. Expired domains with existing domain authority from high PR links pointing to the domain is what is used in a PBN.
     
  7. J-S-T

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    Correct, Web 2.0 Can't Be PBN, You Page on PBN have 0 authority. Without Building links to those, will not do any good.
     
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    PBN however is different from 2.0 network but they still can give some power if done properly
    > Register with some good 2.0 properties with few direct keywords you are targeting and few random words
    > Post 5-6 articles related to your niche on each, one per day ( written is good, if it is tedious you can also spin)
    > Also include some general content which is not directly related to your niche in few of the web 2.0s
    > Make them look bit professional and interlink on each blog from some posts to other posts and from some posts to homepage of the blog
    > Dont follow the same interlinking strategy for all blogs. Try to variate the interlinking strategy for each blog. In this process of variation you can even leave some blogs without any interlinking. All this is just to make sure there are no foot prints left
    >Try to give links from each web2.0 blog to your money making site on different days and from different posts. For example if you link from post no 2 on blog 1 to homepage of main site on day 1, link from 4th post on blog no 2 to some other important page of main site on day 2
    While Linking
    > Try to use homepage url of the main site more
    > On some web2.0s try to link homepage and some other innerpage of money making site
    > On some web2.0s just try to include innerpages and link to some edu or gov sites
    > Build links for each of these web2.0s with some tools like scrapebox

    You can also create tier 1 and tier 2 to get better results with same process. When you create tier2 network use tier 1 network web2.0 names as target sites and homepage url of the money making site as target site for tier1 network

    Although this process is not as powerful as costly domain networks, these web2.0s to some extent can help in rankings


    So use web2.0s along with other link building strategies to increase efficiency of your link building :)
     
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  9. Stevoid

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    I think overall a network of Web 2.0's requires a lot of babysitting... you'll need to spam them, as well as update the good ones with content (by "good" I mean Wordpress.com, Tumblr, etc.). There is quite a bit of moderation with Web 2.0 properties these days, so they'll need fresh content posted, and careful that it's not a bunch of garble if it's spun content (which I imagine it would be). So long story short, I would say go with aged domains instead, unless you happen to have 50-100 aged 2.0's lying around that you want to put to use.
     
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    i think what you're really looking for is "pumper sites". these are basically tanked up web2.0's that funnel linkjuice to your main site. terry kyle took this concept and used them to actually rank and funnel traffic to the money site or directly to whatever offer you're promoting. he calls it 'parasite seo'. nothing new, though. the concept has been around for ages:

    piggyback on the authority of more established sites instead of building authority from the ground up.
     
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    Yes, go ahead and build it, even if you don't power them up with tier 2 links. Just make sure you include 2 links per 2.0. After all, some web presence and links are still better than nothing at all.
     
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    you can do it
    helps your relevance and authority
    but if you want to use only web 2.0 without powerful tier 2 you wont get very far
    need link diversity,this ok but create articles, blog comment, social bookmarkings aswell with unique content
     
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    Build 1st Tier PBN as Web 2.0 Blogs and 2nd Tier and Regular Links Campaign for PBN is Key for Better Web 2.0 Blogs PBN. Yes it is Useless like all other links, if there is no Regular Links for it. If you Build Regular Good amount of Links for your Any 1st Tier Links. It is worth for each penny.
     
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    Web 2.0s can't boost your rankings the way a PBN with expired domains can.
     
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    I doubt the efficacy would come close to a 'real' PBN, however, I've not tested it.
    I would make the point that it's much easier to manage, given that the most time consuming items of domains and hosting are a non-issue when you're working with 2.0's.. if you test it properly, come back and update the thread :)
     
  16. deepblack

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    ok, so most of you say it can work only if you power them up with some tier 2 links.

    The problem I see it this is the fact that a penaly comes very fast doing this kind of link building. so, when your web 2.0s get penalized its over and you worked for nothing.

    I really ask myself if using GSA and the like as tier 2 is still paying?

    someone here posted that his web 2.0s have thounsands of backlinks. I ask myself if he knows for sure if his network hasnt been penalized yet.
     
  17. kendox

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    +1, I totally agree.
    Personally, I also try to diversify the links that I add between PBN > Moneysite. In general, I put 3 links (1 for the MS and 2 for authority articles on the topic)
     
  18. aka sam

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    it can be effective but you have to work out of your skin to pull it off. You have to do a lots of back links to those web 2.0 sites...

    on top of that you will always have a fear of loosing them. Its the greatest Fear!
     
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    What if you use High PR Tumbler , Blogspot, Wordpress domains ?
     
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    tumblr = worthless to rank in google. i got few hundred.
    blogger = too hard to get , works perfect like a pbn.
    wordpress = you can't register a old/deleted name.

    -=-
     
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