# How Does YouTube Pick A ThumbNail for You And how to Do it Without having WaterMark

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by hazedoutdesi, Jan 29, 2009.

1. ### hazedoutdesiRegular Member

Joined:
Mar 9, 2007
Messages:
275
15
What determines what your thumbnail will be? How does youtube choose that for you? Say if you dont want a watermark link on your video thumbnail, how can you do that?

2. ### Nathan BRegular Member

Joined:
Nov 22, 2008
Messages:
395
298
Occupation:
Student/Internet Marketer
Location:
The VERY middle frame of your video, for example:

If your video was 2 Minutes, 10 Seconds, and 22 Milliseconds, it would take a frame at 1 Minute, 5 Seconds, and 11 Milliseconds, that how exact it is.

• Thanks x 1
3. ### punn3301Junior Member

Joined:
Jan 27, 2008
Messages:
109
48

Let's say the video is 60 seconds long. Divide 60 by 4, and that is when the screenshots will be taken. You divide by 4 because YouTube doesn't take a thumbnail of the end of the video.

A 60 second video will be split at 15 seconds, 30 seconds, and 45 seconds - and you can CHOOSE which thumbnail you want go going to "Edit Video" under "Viewer Owner Options" which you will see when you are logged into your YouTube account and go to the video.

• Thanks x 1
4. ### Nathan BRegular Member

Joined:
Nov 22, 2008
Messages:
395
298
Occupation:
Student/Internet Marketer
Location:
Yeah, but I was saying the center because I found it easier to divide by two rather then 1/3 and 2/3, plus it automatically is the 2nd frame, so you don't need to change it, but yes, pub3301 is right, it is 1/3 - 1/2 - 2/3.

5. ### BarbacamanituPower Member

Joined:
May 8, 2008
Messages:
500
91
wouldnt it be 1/4 1/2 and 3/4?

6. ### punn3301Junior Member

Joined:
Jan 27, 2008
Messages:
109
48
Yeah....I divide by 4 for longer videos and then just add the numbers together.

So a video that is 3 mins and 20 seconds long is 200 seconds - divided by 4 is 50 - so the thumbnails you can choose from are at 50, 100 (1 min 40 secs), and 150(2 mins 30 secs).

I realize it's easier to just put it in the middle, but sometimes it's better to put the Thumbnail you want a little further back or forward in the video.

7. ### Nathan BRegular Member

Joined:
Nov 22, 2008
Messages:
395
298
Occupation:
Student/Internet Marketer
Location:
Ohh.. I see, my bad. Hehe, I was thinking 1/3 because of the three options. Ugh, I am terrible at math, absolutely terrible.

8. ### hazedoutdesiRegular Member

Joined:
Mar 9, 2007
Messages:
275
15
thanks for the info guys. So say if i watermark my video periodically, and by youtube's default thumbnail (The VERY middle frame of your video) so if i dont want my video to show a water mark i just have to make make sure i dont have a watermark in the very middle frame of my video?

Example: To bypass WaterMark To Show in Video
Video Length = 1 Min (60 Secs)

So just make sure there is not watermark at 30 seconds?

so 1-29 seconds it can have a water mark and then 31-60 seconds?

9. ### mrsmirfJunior Member

Joined:
Aug 2, 2008
Messages:
105
98
Yeah so that leaves the obvious answer of avoid having your watermark show up 100percent of the time to increase viewership of the video. I'd also wait a few seconds into the video for your watermark to appear in the video to avoid it getting labelled as spam. Aside from that just following the steps layedout in the previous posts should be easy as selecting one of the three frames without watermark.

10. ### hazedoutdesiRegular Member

Joined:
Mar 9, 2007
Messages:
275
15
so what i said is correct? sorry just want to be sure =P

11. ### Nathan BRegular Member

Joined:
Nov 22, 2008
Messages:
395
298
Occupation:
Student/Internet Marketer
Location:
@hazedoutdesi Yep, that is correct.

• Thanks x 1
12. ### gogettaPower Member

Joined:
Oct 4, 2008
Messages:
688
1,309
Occupation:
Internet Hustla
Location:
Trapped Online
My watermarks haven't been showing up in the thumbnails at all, but in the video when there played all the watermarks show up.

13. ### donjuanPower Member

Joined:
Oct 12, 2007
Messages:
539
236
Location:
..the dark side
From what Ive been seeing YT no longer takes thumbnail images from the exact center of videos anymore. They seem to be randomizing the locations of the 3 thumbnail pics.

Also the reason it seems your watermark isnt showing up in your thumbnail is because the top and bottom region of the screen is cutoff in the thumbnail. If you look at it really closely you will notice the thumbnail is magnified from the center of the image, cutting off the very top and bottom where ppl usually have their watermark.

Joined:
Dec 2, 2008
Messages:
159
44

15. ### SniperRegular Member

Joined:
Dec 30, 2008
Messages:
471
213
Location:
Torrent Assault
Sorry to bump this thread, but I have been playing around with youtube video marketing and it turns out that the middle of the video thumbnail strategy no longer works. Apparently, it is done algorithmically.

Does anyone have any idea how it is done now?

16. ### platinvmSenior Member

Joined:
Jan 31, 2009
Messages:
1,042
385
Location:
TN
Ya, I have noticed it to..I don't know how to fix it but hopefully some one can.

17. ### halfalumpRegular Member

Joined:
Feb 10, 2009
Messages:
230
89
Occupation:
Traffic Broker
Location:
New York, NY
The thumbnail thing was killing me for a while. The difference in views is HUGE!

YT's algo is calculated to find a frame most representative of the whole video. I've been meaning to make some test videos with a timer in the corner to see if I could find a pattern, but I've been too busy with actually uploading and such.

That said, my fix has been to make sure there's a 15-20 second window in the center of the video where every frame is something I'd be happy to have in the thumbnail.

For example, 15-20 second clip of a girl shaking her ass, or whatever makes sense for your niche, as long as every frame could make a good thumbnail.

This works like a charm for videos around 1 minute. I haven't tried it for longer ones.

Joined:
Dec 26, 2008
Messages:
18
1

Joined:
Oct 26, 2008
Messages:
80