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How do you learn to think outside the box?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Allie Albatross, Jul 22, 2009.

  1. Allie Albatross

    Allie Albatross Junior Member

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    For example, there is a thread on BHW that has to do with Craigslist, and selling an old/used washing machine, only to tell the person interested, that it's too late, and has already been taken up. You then offer them an alternative, and link them to a CPA offer related to that item. Now, would thinking outside the box be replacing the old/used washing machine with an old/used lawnmower? I think not. I would call that "spinning" a method, because your just replacing items, the method is still the same.

    Is their some sort of logical thought process that takes place, certain questions you ask yourself such as "How can I get someone to e-mail me", or something? Is it heavy research and demographics (I was horrible in micro/macro economics)? Is it all just random dumb luck, as your watching TV, you think "Oh, that's a good idea!", and rush to write it down? Do share your experiences, I'm starving to learn.
     
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    alphius Registered Member

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    sounds like you need to take omnis course that will open your mind so much bro..its crayzie..
     
  3. vickitim

    vickitim Registered Member

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    First you learn the basics and try them out. Once you understand how and why things work or don't it's easy to come up with your own twist.
     
  4. Pharoah

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    Often times these things come into mind out of nowhere.

    Other times I find myself wondering at which commercials actually sold something to me and how did that message come across? Usually it's fairly easy to get into the consumer mindset, once you realize you have something valuable for them, something that solves a problem.

    You know, basic notions like these.
     
  5. catchme

    catchme Regular Member

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    It comes with the experience.
     
  6. allrecycle

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    every body thinks differently ..... imo you cant be tought to "think out side of the box" it will come natural
     
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    redtide1969 BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I agree, and test everything until thinking outside of the box comes naturally to you. It definitely isn't something that can be learned without the experience to go along with it.
     
  8. thetraveller

    thetraveller Senior Member

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    the best way to think 'outside the box' is to forget everything you already know about one subject, detach and think as no rules, properties and characteristics apply, then you might find yourself a few interesting ideas..
     
  9. angelluv

    angelluv Newbie

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    Wow all the 'outside box thinkers' offered some great thought.. thanks :) do you have that omnis course or any course that will help with this concept thanks everyone :) This is a skill i really need to hone. Any help will be greatly appreciated :) Angel
     
  10. dizz

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    outside the box..........inside the box.........these r tearms used by people who want to seem like they came up with something new.just get some pratice in being u...the only thing thatmaters is if u try and learn from ur results....good luck
     
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    the mad hatter Newbie

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    you have to first have willingness and the wanting to change your perspective and way of thinking. once you do this you will begin to see the world through different lenses.

    however, some people just are never able to see outside the four walls they have been stuck behind all these years...

    its not easy but you can do it if you have the drive...
     
  12. Allie Albatross

    Allie Albatross Junior Member

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    Well, I believe I already know the basics, I just can't see any other way to promote with particular methods. I always think to myself "Well, that won't work, I won't waste my time even trying that". One technique I like to do, is ask someone that isn't an Internet Marketer, see what they think. My Father is a good example, most of the time I'm like "Who would think of that, I doubt it would work, but that is original...and creepy".
     
  13. jammie

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    Spin a method so much it becomes something new ...

    take the CL idea. change the item and the scenario. Try promoting it on YT. Change the type of lead from a email submit to say a toolbar download etc.

    Most people would say pushing toolbar downloads on YT is dif from offering something on CL.

    Maybe someone just tried something and it worked? :p

    I get my inspiration from problems around me, solve them, theres always money!

    Oh, different perspectives help too. I totally rebranded something i was selling as my girlfriend told me it may be a better idea to market it as something else. I hadn't even though of it!
     
  14. Sanitarium

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    I dream of some crazy stuff,
    blackhat methods as nightmares,
    kind of funny how they come.
    I wake up gasping and realizing
    that thinking outside the box
    isn't usually the problem for people ,
    it's more a fear of having to do something dirty
    and failing. At least with a reward you would feel
    at peace.
     
  15. Allie Albatross

    Allie Albatross Junior Member

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    I dream of the lifestyle pertaining to being rich, not what it takes to get there.
     
  16. Sanitarium

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    Wrong forum then, jk. But you just showed that different things motivate different people.

    I don't think simply switching CPA offers to spin is trying to be creative.
    But If spinning a method (approach/reply) is actually more effective than the original attempt,
    then to me it is in some way outside the box thinking, it's done to make it fresh.
    From what I see in history, many innovators are those who took crappy ideas and made them work.

    If you want, you can just see the black hat way as an avant-garde of marketing.
    So then maybe we're just doing big experiments inside an innovation, and we can never really innovate.
    Or we could see effective twists as innovation which is good motivation for people.

    I saw the thread about that youtube spammer:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/making-money/101802-creative-youtube-spammer.html
    And i was thinking it's more having the skills and tenacity to pull it off than it is innovative.
    But you still have to credit him with thinking outside the box, right?

    It's like poetry, you can't re-create the creation of poetry.
    But you can write a new one on the same cliche topic that'll make people go 'WOW i never liked poetry until i read this one.'

    So for me, at least, the only real issue is how far i could go without selling my soul or scamming people.

    You need more balls than brains me thinks, in the 21st century.
    But i get your POV, makes sense to see it that way too, why should we call simple spinning innovation?
    But the only problem is that this is the same kind of thinking that makes noobs copy and paste the exact things and ruin an idea.

    "a new way of doing something" is pretty subjective from people to people, hell, in public i lift up my pants and move it left and right to scratch my balls, you better patent my shit now :)
     
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    sometimes the ideas that you come up with out of the blue that you THINK is crazy are the ones that are thought outside the box, something totally different. Those might actually make you a millionaire.
     
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    it isnt easy thinking out of the box. most times it is just trial and error that gets u to success. try everything out there until u find something that works then build on that by thinkin lateral.
     
  19. farfetchedmoney

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    Thinking outside the box comes from the brain of course, but, even scientist don't know why some peoples DNA are superior to others. It just is, the mind is complex. What I have noticed is the people at the highest level usually have a clarity of thought that the average don't have. Couple that with a deep driving determination and you got a recipe for success. Now the path to outside the box thinking is different for everyone. Some have been bred with parents and a team of friends that foster the behavior to think far superior than Jane and Joe Average. While others haven't had the same privileges, and, yet have had the same outcome as someone who has been in circles of mentors. I think out the box thinkers are well read, observe everything, and are phiisophical at times. Also, they love to think different and possibly like feeling uncomfortable about challenges. Donald Trump says his mind works weird in that he likes challenges in real estate development even though he says it is very hard to do it successfully(paraphrasing).

    Essay Done:faint2:
     
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  20. CyberHustler

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    Actually it's what we call "talent" and "creativity", some people are born with such thinking and they always have tones of ideas running in their head.

    For normal people, it's all about eat and sleep well...dream the impossible and you'll eventually start thinking outside the box and come up with some creative and unthought about ideas.