I am not using them and the site will not get passed 151. Now granted, for about 3 weeks, the on page was a mess, I have rebuilt the site from scratch with very strong on page. That was this week. I have 2 questions. 01) How can one tell if they have a penalty if they are not using GWT? 02) If you get a message about unnatural linking is that there way of saying you have a penalty? (I did not get this obviously not wondering for my own knowledge) I built a lot of links with GSA & Article Samurai while the site was under a month old. Going to ride out another 3 weeks to see if the on page helps, keep adding new content and see if we can get past 151. The keyword should be fairly easy and I have an EMD (but with a dash in it and it is .net). Thanks in advance.