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How do you know google removed penalization? Is 301 redirect ok to use?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by martin.hobok, Jan 9, 2014.

  1. martin.hobok

    martin.hobok Regular Member

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    Hey,


    I have 3 questions:

    My site was penalized, i know because i was on 2-3 spots, then i got hit by the last update. Thing is that i am not able to climb back to where i was, so:

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    Question # 1 is:

    Is it ok to 301 redirect the domain that got hit to a new domain and on the new domain to use the exact content thats its now on the penalized domain, i mean google will see this as a duplicate content or not?

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    Question # 2 is:

    How do you know when google removed penalization, how do you check/verify that?

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    Question # 3:

    Lets say you have a site
    www.word1word2.com, its safe to buy a domain www.word2word1.com and start ranking the second, if 1st got penalized?

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    Hope the answers i get here will help other people, too.

    Thank you,
    Martin
     
  2. mindlesswizard

    mindlesswizard Supreme Member

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    waiting for some one to answer it :)
     
  3. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    #1: no. even if your site was hit with a penalty it will take a while before it gets deindexed completely and you can use that content
    #2: search on google info:domain.com ... if it returns nothing then you're penalized... otherwise it should return 1 single line with your domain name
    #3: doesn't really matter
     
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  4. martin.hobok

    martin.hobok Regular Member

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    OK, now, of course, more questions pop up :).

    So, penalization means that you are taken off of the SERPS (appearing nowhere) or also means that you were dropped in SERPS.
    For example my site sits somewhere on pages 6-20 depending on keyword.

    I did the info:domain.com check and it returns all pages of site.
    This means that i am not penalized and i should work more on on page and
    off page optimization or just move to a new domain and 301 redirect
    the actual to the new domain?

    How would one know when its time to just move to a new domain.

    Thank you

     
  5. ttmschine

    ttmschine Regular Member

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    If you 301 a penalised site to a new site the penalty will transfer across to the new site.

    There is a way around this, I'm going to be releasing something (free) in a few days that reveals it.
     
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    For 3, make sure the domain makes sense. Your domain may look spammy towards human visitors if it is something like "programmergood" or "carsexpensive".
     
  7. lmxftw

    lmxftw BANNED BANNED

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    HOW !???

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    if you are still indexed but dropped in the SERP's you should check your backlink profile and see how many links you lost (deindexed sources) since you're positive that you 'got hit' by the last update... actually you still being indexed means your link sources got hit (pages that had your links got deindexed)...

    301'ing a domain that has a lot of broken links to a brand new site is a bad thing. Try rebuilding links and if there's no SERP rise then the problem is far worse and you might've just been... PAM-PAM-PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM ... sandboxed :)


    edit: i added the site:google.com pic as well... the "site" search returns everything that was ever indexed from that domain, even if the source doesn't exist anymore so doing a "site:domain.com" search won't tell you if your site is indexed or not.
     
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  9. martin.hobok

    martin.hobok Regular Member

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    So, if 301 redirect its sketchy, then how can i use the same content on a new domain without google considering it as duplicate?
    I am ready to drop the old domain.
    But i am not ready to create new content/design, etc. Is it possible?
     
  10. wahabfun

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    Using the same content which you was use of your previous penalized domain is not a good practice because Google will consider it as duplicate if even your site completely indexed, because the google may have some internal data checking system. So do not try to post that same content to your new site.
     
  11. iglow

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    301 will pass the penalty
     
  12. Ninya

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    Depends mate.

    Was this an algorithm penalty or manual penalty?

    If it was a manual penalty; and you've removed the bad links (Either by contacting the webmaster, or disavowing) and waited about 4-6 weeks then you can do a 301 redirect but ONLY if you believe the links are safe that are coming through. For manuals, they'll look at link signals coming through and if they're still bad - you'll just get hit again.

    Now if it was an algorithm penalty, it's a lot more difficult as you can't pin-point what caused it in the first place. 98% of the time, the penalty will indeed carry over.

    If it was a SPAM manual penalty, it's easy - just re-create a bit of content on a new template and re-submit it should get accepted quite easily.

    If it was Penguin and you don't know where to begin with your backlink portfolio it would be better to start again.

    If it was PANDA, then re-creating won't help as your content caused the issue to begin with.
     
  13. martin.hobok

    martin.hobok Regular Member

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    Honestly i do not know what is causing it.
    I had a guy doing SEO for me and he used russian links,
    he said its not SAPE, but i am sure it was.

    Those were removed, now, strangely, i am seeing links
    being build on ahrefs, but i am not building those.
    Someone told me its a GSA footprint.

    Maybe someone is doing negative SEO, strange its that
    i do not see 00s or 000s of links being build everyday, i see like 30-40
    new links everyday.

    Is there someone willing to take a look at my site?
    Thank you all who wrote on this.
     
  14. Ninya

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    Do you have Webmaster Tools enabled on this site ? If you do check if you've got a manual penalty.

    If not, then it's either Penguin or Panda. Most likely Penguin if it started after this guy built links. Normally SAPE websites are Manual penalized though.
     
  15. martin.hobok

    martin.hobok Regular Member

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    I enabled WT after the guy stopped building links.
    But lets say i 301 redirect, i should first take off all
    the files from the hosting (or just add a page saying
    "my domain moved too www.domain2.com") and then do the 301
    or do i have to leave the content as it is on the actual domain?

    Also, if i remove the content from the actual domain and i simply
    move it to another domain without 301 redirect would
    google still consider it as duplicate?
     
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    worldfree4u.png dears i lost my rank for main keywords... do you think my this website is penalized?
     
  17. martin.hobok

    martin.hobok Regular Member

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    I am going to take this into my own hands.
    I started reading SEO blogs, forums.

    I did a mistake letting others do SEO for my sites.
    Proved out the good ones handle their own sites.

    The bad ones are looking for work and they
    harm your site eventually.

    I'll post here how i managed to rank my site.

    Martin
     
  18. Ninya

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    You would need to 301 directly to each page you'd like to re-rank for. Messages on the page would be a meta redirection, not a 301 and that wouldn't work.

    You can check for penalties in Webmaster Tools even after you've been penalised, unless it's algorithmic like Penguin or Panda.

    If you have a algorithmic penalty, then I don't suggest a 301 as you're just going to kill the new site. You can get away with a few more things if it's a manual penalty though.