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How do you kill the banks on the authority page and overtake them?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by rayee, Jun 5, 2014.

  1. rayee

    rayee Power Member

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    Very obviously, I'm in the Finance niche. The top 10 spots belongs to the banks. Every single one of them. How can i overtake these people? They're strong authoritative figures with a strong back link profile. Any advice please?!
     
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    highrider778 Regular Member

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    do some niche research, and find some long tail keywords that are easier to rank for rather than trying to play ball with the big boys if you're unsure where to start.
     
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    You're not going to take the banks out for the big keywords unless you too have a very strong site (which I doubt).

    Your best bet is to try to find some long-tail keywords to try to rank for.
     
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    If the all the top 10 sites belongs to banks, then you know the competition on these keywords, so better focus on long tails. You cannot beat them I guess unless you are ripoffreport or wikipedia.
     
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    that's a good one, starting to a bank to beat 10 other banks to outrank them on SERP's!
     
  7. rayee

    rayee Power Member

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    Hahaha very funny. Starting a bank .. So seriously no way?
     
  8. jackl

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    If your keyword belongs to the recent spammy queries update, you're gonna be wasting money ranking anyways.
    If your budget was very high, you probably woulden't be asking this question. So just stop thinking about it and do something you can achieve.
     
  9. Seljo

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    Adwords maybe ?
     
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    There is no real way to do this short term.

    I would personally suggest looking at long tails around the niche. If you can create a a cost effective return on income from long tails then you could invest in creating more of an authority website and brand. This is the only way to realistically work your way onto page 1.
     
  11. BassTrackerBoats

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    About 5 years ago accelerator_dd and I did an experiment with some domains and ranked the KW Credit Union # 5 in Google. We were just testing a bunch of different things and I doubt any of it would be relevant at this time. It only ranked for about 3 months or so but I think we could have kept it up if we kept up the testing.

    First thing we did was KW stuff the domain... not the perma links, but the domain. CreditUnion-CreditUnion.com or something like that was the domain.

    All the content on the site was hit pretty hard 4% at the time if I remember correctly, with the KW Credit Union.

    Meta tags, categories and tags were all hit hard with Credit Union as well.

    We were not so obvious as to not use long tails and I did put a bunch of articles up on Ezine and a few of the other article directories that were unique content + I think we used AMR but I am not sure about that... we didn't have a lot of tools at our disposal at the time due to their not being much in the way of decent tools.

    So... back in the day it could be done... today I would not venture there.
     
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    How about start by evaluating their Backlink Architecture?

    After doing so, it is YOU who determines if YOU are willing and are able to put in the TIME, EFFORT and MONEY to overtake your competitors.

    After the Backlink Architecture evaluation, you will no longer be subject to guessing how they are ranking.

    Are they using PBNs?

    Are they using PAID Bls?

    Are they using Cloaked Websites?

    301 redirects?

    Doorway pages?

    Obviously, they have made a huge investment. If you are not willing or able to match and then exceed what they have invested, generally speaking, you may not stand a chance in overtaking them.

    P.S. Typically speaking, corporations DO NOT play by the [Google stated guidelines]. Even in 2014, they still use doorways, paid BLs, cloaked websites, etc.

    If you want to outrank them, you MUST implement the same tactics they are implementing.

    Hope that helps.
     
  13. meashis

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    I think this time negative seo comes handy ..Just my thought.
     
  14. BassTrackerBoats

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    Not possible in all probability with those kinds of sites... odds are they are strong enough to deal with neg SEO.
     
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    I guess last option long tail keywords or leave that niche and find another niche.
     
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    ppsshhh.........
     
  17. rayee

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    They're real banks in my country. Big banks with strong links. They dont use 301 redirect , PBNs and all those hoolas we speak about in this forum. So i wonder if i have a strong PBN , will i be able to overtake them? I do not intend to use black hat. And white hat..? Its super long and i dont want to wait.
     
  18. rayee

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    Attached is a screenshot of the #10 website ranking for the desired keyword in the Finance niche. Only one back link. HOW IS THIS PoSsible?

    Is it possible that Google simply put the big banks and wiped away the rest?
     
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    The best way to check where you could rank is by actually trying to rank for some sample long tails in the niche. Also, when checking backlinks, do not forget that internal links count as well. Authority sites that seem not to have any external links tend to have internal links, often in the range of hundreds from pages that all tend to be authoritative. Imagine 50 links from PA 50+ internal pages.