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How do you handle clients who want to pay AFTER site begins to rank?

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  1. christianbed

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    I get this about 10% of the time, and while I usually say something like, 'Sorry, we've learned the hard way. While I trust that you are an honest person/business, we have lost money because of clients who do not respond to our invoices after the work is done.' I don't want to sound snarky, because I know that a lot of clients, especially Americans, have adopted the idea that everything should come with a money-back guarantee, payment plan, etc. Any ideas?
     
  2. SEOHULK

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    I don't handle them at all. And I strongly advise you NOT TO, also.
    Tell'em to go pound sand (in a nicer way).

    Work like this is known in designer circles as "spec work" and
    it's a virus that must be killed before it spreads to SEO.
    More about this: http://www.nospec.com/faq

    I meet clients like this from time to time and
    the second they bring this sh*t up I
    stop talking to them.

    99% of them are cheapass douchebags looking for free work.
    More often than not they actually have more than enough money to pay you but their train of thought goes like this:
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    Also, if someone once really cheated them out of their money - why should you eat that cost?
    Why should you go hungry because of their stupidity?
    They made the mistake of trusting the wrong person/company and they should learn from their mistakes BY PAYING FOR THEM.
     
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    ghengis_khan Regular Member

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    As stated above, it's usually not worth your time to work for/with them. The only exception I can think of is if a successful website/webshop would offer you a revenue share in exchange for SEO advice/linkbuilding. This though is more of a partnership.
     
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    Business is Business - meaning Costs/Expenses/Time ----> No Pay == No Work.
     
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    Christian - you can't accept jobs in IM without a front payment at least for 50% in ranking works. You have to be aware that are many, not only on IM in all kinds of businesses that are only trying to find the weak spot and don't pay your work.
    Just tell them clear these are your rules if they accept them ok, if not tell them that you're busy :)
     
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    Umm, contracts?

    The product is usually always to be delivered first. Not sure why some think that should be different with IM.

    Have your lawyer do his homework and deliver you a bulletproof legal document, which both of the parties (you and your client) have to sign prior to the work. Done, deal.
     
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    Pay Per Performance Mostly gives you Headaches. Because It is Money which make you motivated and keep you working on project. What if after rank he denies or say I have no money. or something like that..That means huge Fraud. but there are few companies Who Offer Pay per Performance.
     
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  9. Danny1111

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    The Worst Thing You Can Do As A Small Business Is Put Yourself In a Position Of Having To Enforce Contracts Every Time Under A Pay For Performance Type Scheme.

    I'd Imagine Going To Small Claims Court - Your Not Going to Win 100% Of The Time -- and when people search your Company Name before doing business with you - you have got 10 ? listings for suing people -- not a good look.

    Most people realize they have to pay the Seo Company upfront .. cost of business.
     
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  10. christianbed

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    Yeah, thanks for that article...good read.

    I had one client suggesting we use oDesk, which sounded ok at first, but I really didn't like the idea of having a 3rd party site act as a mediator for some reason, and just ended up basically telling them 'no thanks--i'm not going to pay out of pocket to rank your site, only to be paid at the end of the month'. (for all i know, they are buying fiverr gigs left and right and are just on the verge of being sandboxed...also, who knows what the next algo will do to their site even if they haven't been buying crap links and spun content)

    I agree, this nonsense needs to stop. My feeling is that people in less developed countries are willing to make these deals, however. I have one client who sends me emails from time to time from these $200/month SEO gurus, or 'guaranteed rankings' people...I just ignore them.
     
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    Just say you dont get out of bed without full payment upfront. That soon tell them your a real deal. Don't even waste your time thinking about clients like this, they will give you sleepless night trust me.

    Even when a client is paying, the mins I detect the client is going to be an hassle in the long run, I just say No their job.
     
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  12. SEOHULK

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    You're better off leaving those clients to hassle somebody else.
    If they become abusive over time, fire them.

    The money you lose with them can be earned back quickly and easily by focusing on your existing / regular clients.
    Offer them something new, etc.
     
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    If you really want that client (not saying you do but in case you want to book a job for some reason) why not use a escrow service? then you have the best of both worlds their money is in a account that goes to you in a specific fashion. But I am more likely to say " those are the rules for my work and I do not make exceptions as marketplace conditions have made it necessary to have these procedures in place." Working for free upfront ends up being working for free.
     
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