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how do you guys decide what's immoral and what's not?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by speedhawk45, Oct 12, 2017.

  1. divyanshu14

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    Yup that fits perfectly in what I mean..
     
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    It's called due-diligence? It's not your job as a seller to tell people how they should or shouldn't spend their money. If someone rushes into a buying decision with no prior research/knowledge, who's fault is it? It's not the sellers as he was simply completing his role as said seller and purchaser needs someone to purchase from.

    If someone comes to you wanting to buy something, how are you taking advantage of them? You are simply completing a transaction which they started.

    For every person with "morals" who says no, guess what? There will be someone who says yes. This is what I was saying when I said no morals in business. You are not doing the world a favor by turning down the sale because somebody else will gladly take their money.

    Having morals is not the same as following the law. There are lots of things which people deem to be "unethical" or without moral in business which is completely legal. There are times where you can complete fuck someone over in business and it's 100% legal. So where do you draw the line?

    As I said in a previous post morals are relative. Everyone has their own moral compass. What someone deems to be moral someone else can deem immoral, but who are you to tell them they are wrong when you can't view the world through their eyes?
     
  3. mickyfu

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    Actually I meant I wouldn't target above the age of 8.
     
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  4. speedhawk45

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    very well put. you clearly know your shit unlike many others who don't even think about this topic.

    however i would argue on one argument that you did make.
    for a much more easier discusison i'll propose a scenario.

    say you make a niche site course. the course has a LP titled ' see how i'm able to make $10,000+ a month, completely passive, ', then all that BS followed by a sales video, in which you have this fucking rented lamborghini and you tell this fake story of how you were broke and shit and now you're making $$$$, you're getting laid with hot chicks and how you have this mansion.
    basically inducing emotions of fear and excitement inside people with your sales page.

    you price the product at $297.

    you discuss how you select a niche, discuss kw research, tell them how to get hosting, set a WP theme.

    but on SEO, you just tell them to contact websites and do guest posting. and some other hard link building methods that all these SEO's are teaching. but we don't reveal anything about BH SEO, no PBN's, no other forms of BH methods .
    and the whole course itself was just the basic knowledge of everything, no real good ways of finding niche and kw's.

    now, as you said, if someone buys the course we will NOT be taking advantage of them, because they didn't do their due-dilligence and it's their fault if they were fooled into it.

    are we really NOT taking advantage of them? obviously, we KNOW people will buy this because of several reasons that are NOT completely in their control.
    did we not hype the fuck out of the sales page and induce emotions ( excitement, happiness ) in them that are NOT in their control?
    We KNOW noobs will buy the course because they're starting out and they think this course is the SHIT.
    do we not KNOW we will induce such responses in them?

    i mean if we know we're fooling them, sure legally it's fine.
    but in reality we ARE taking advantage of them, it may not be their conscious mind, but it god damn sure is their subconscious mind which includes their emotions.

    i know you said that morals are subjective. but you also mentioned how we are NOT taking advantage of them when a sale happens. but it seems that we actually are.

    oh,
    yeah but i mean, we have 8 year old minds in older human bodies as well. so what i said still stands true.
     
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    Flaming noobs is immoral.
     
  6. Bread

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    I know what is and isn't immoral, but I can put my feelings to the side regardless. You're on a BH forum, I'd imagine most people here engage in slightly BH money making methods
     
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    I couldn't do any CPA cos of my conscience.
     
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  8. speedhawk45

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    yeah agreed.
     
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    Agreed. Unfortunately There are a lot of immature people here, whose only amusement in life is noob bashing. Maybe one day they will clean their acts up.
     
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  10. Asif WILSON Khan

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    It is a tough one, but I generally go with asking questions along the lines of:
    "Is this going to cause harm to someone?"
    "How would I feel if it happened to me?"
    "Can I provide value or a benefit to this person?"

    I have worked in high pressure jobs in the past and met some real cut-throat bastards that would do anything for the sale and they really didn't care about their clients, I really have seen the worst in people but that doesn't have to be the way.

    There are definitely things in IM that I wouldn't do, there are other things that may or not be legal that I might be persuaded to do if the money was right. I have no problem with borderline grey areas but anything that could send me to prison would have to be worth it.

    Always carry out a Cost Benefit Analysis


    BTW, I think my attitude has changed somewhat from when I was much younger. Then I wasn't so concerned but I learnt the hard way and almost got fucked up big time (this was offline) but principle is the same.
     
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    nah, that's Sport
     
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  12. speedhawk45

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    thank your for your view asif, that clarified a thing or two in my mind. i'm sure someone else reading this thread will also learn something from your response.
     
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    When you sell cocaine to a pregnant girl, that's a good line (HEHE) to draw I think.
     
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    If you're able to do what you're doing and not worry about someone turning up on your doorstep, then that's your call.

    I'm older than most on here, I'm the big, nasty fucker, 6ft 3" guy who ( used to be the one who ) turns up collecting debts and sorting problems out on your doorstep. Didn't matter if your wife and kids were in the house when we visited, but for us to be there, usually meant you'd scammed or fucked over someone who you really should not have done so.

    People think it's fine to scam etc online, as they're sat in another country to the victim, however the internet means it's easy to track down people.

    Screw people over at your will, but if you want to live that life of always watching your back ( and that of your family ) then so be it.
     
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    insightful indeed.
    lol you should start a BST here, misterf's anti scam service.
     
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    I'd take a free sample.
     
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    I love when people take justice in their own hands! Police are useless when it comes to scams (at least internet) where I'm from. Baseball bat, masks and a door knock is always more effective.
     
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    you must be jr.vip or have 50+ posts
     
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