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how do you guys decide what's immoral and what's not?

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  1. speedhawk45

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    or do you even?
     
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    Why the question? Either what you do bothers you or it does not. What is immoral to me, others find acceptable and vice versa. Bizarre post and question, maybe just take a selfie next time!
     
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    yes, strange question - everyone has different morals - use your best judgement ?
     
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    thank you for your views on the subject. i do agree with you on the part that the question is ' bizarre '. it truly is, it's actually one of the most complex questions humans face in their life.

    so are you saying that you do anything that doesn't bother YOU?

    thank you for your views
    so if everyone was to follow their best judgement, then a serial killer is doing the right thing for himself/herself kidnapping and torturing other people.
    a thief is making the best judgement stealing an old womens purse because he wanted to buy booze. ( an example )
    that way even rape is jusitifiable? because the rapist wanted to sate his sexual desires?

    hahaha
    no but on a serious note tho sherbert, since i've seen you put out quality threads on many different topics, i always get confused on this question.
    for example the make money niche, you and i both know how much profit you can make off of milking noobs selling ' make $xxx/day courses ', are they doing the right thing? would YOU sell courses like that and why wouldn't you?
     
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    Those who can, do. Those who no longer can or have moved onto different pursuits of their own, teach.

    That being said, I absolutely would put out a course, provided all the following criteria was met:

    1) I was an actual expert on the current status of the topic at hand, not a pseudo expert.
    2) I had a unique perspective that differed from most others in similar niches.
    3) I could vet and cap the number and quality of people in my course.
    4) My course processes could be easily replicated and not easily saturated or "patched".
    5) I had a medium in which to provide support and respond to questions on my topics discussed.

    I'm working on the bones for a course for building a non-traditional lone-wolf ORM agency from the ground up. I plan to charge out the ass and cap it at 50. More on that in 2018, though.
     
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    I think we have to look to rationality and science for a decent moral framework. With decent, I mean one that works for its purpose.

    I highly recommend you to read the book "The Moral Landscape" by Sam Harris. While I couldn't explain it as well as the book, even if I tried, the gist of it might be summed up by this:

    All conscious animals we know of have two extremes of experiences: Well-being/happiness on one end, and suffering/torment on the other. We all try to attain well-being and happiness, while avoiding suffering/torment. Therefore, it can be argued that reducing suffering/torment and increasing well-being/happiness is a moral virtue. Of course, that's insanely simplistic, and doesn't account for many variables. Creating an ideal moral framework isn't something easily done, but must come as a group effort of our greatest thinkers.

    Another great take on it is from Theoretical Bullshit:


    warm regards,
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    You fucking would. God damn, we are too much alike. It just took me longer to find this place, than you.
     
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    Ask yourself why you are doing the said action. Bad things can be done for good reasons.

    If you have to second guess yourself in this post then its probably against your morals.
     
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    There are no morals in business - that's always worked out pretty well for me.
     
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    And this is one of the problems, society has. There are always individuals who don't care at all. They simply kill people's lives and if it happens that they will get power - most of the time it is money - then it will rise to a problem for society.

    Most of the time I apply the following moral: if you don't want it to happen to yourself you should not do this to others either. But there may be exceptions to this rule, it is not that simple in my opinion. Some may actually like when it is done to them. So another perspective could be asking, what would give others happiness or at least no cruel pain.
     
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    Its 2017, the original kill or be killed still applies today, instead of swords we have mouse and the battlefield is the internet. Moral values should be remembered only when you go super deep, otherwise if you call spamming people or nasty things here and there to be immoral, then what are you doing on a blackhat forum?
     
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    Waahhh cry more. Everything is relative.
     
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    I only state what I think is true and applies to the society, nothing to cry about you crybaby.
     
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    I see. interesting view.
    good luck with the course!
     
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    yes i have that book on my read list. i actually have yet to decide how to rationally and logically look on deciding morals. and thanks for the simplistic view, that cleared a few misconceptions on my mind. i will be sure to look on the resources you suggested.
     
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    i see. that is surely a logical and rational way to look at things.
    but then does that mean these IM gurus making millions by milking noobs, is that justified?
    for them they're doing the said action because it reaps more profit. sure it's justified from their perspetive but is it really that they're doing the right thing?

    so kidnapping children and selling them to pedophiles is completely fine? it's good business no?
    i get your view. so you kinda follow that survival of the fittest view of life. interesting
    exactly what i had in mind.

    that's a very nice way to look at things, i have seen many religions adapt this ideology. indeed interesting

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    i see.
    jokes aside, you basically will NOT take advantage of the lesser-intellectual type of humans? and for the ones that can rationally decide, it will be THEIR fault if they buy a course/product/service etc.?