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How do you avoid the sandbox for new affiliate sites?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by Knasper, Apr 22, 2015.

  1. Knasper

    Knasper Junior Member

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    We have a bunch of affiliate sites with good rankings. They are all built upon great content, many hundreds of pages,
    news, social signals etc.

    The problem is, these sites are old and I ranked them years ago. However, I can't get new affiliate sites to rank. It goes
    upwards for a while, then I get put in the sandbox after a couple of months.

    I have built 4-5 quality links per week, is this too much? Do you also feel that you have to have visitors coming to your
    page at the same time you do the link building? My problem is that I often end up in a situation where I have added 100s
    of links but the visitors are like 5-6 per day.

    It is a very competitive niche, but it doesn't scare me as I've managed this before. I just need the recipe for the page
    to get trusted. How do you go about it?
     
  2. Aatrox

    Aatrox Supreme Member

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    I build those link in a day, not a week. Get some high PA/DA links with power. You said that it's very competitive niche so you'll probably need a lot of strong links to get rankings.
     
  3. Knasper

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    I also would like to add that I use the same strategy towards brands when I work for customers.
    These typically have SSL and contact forms, etc. Then they are not doorway pages as people get
    their business done on the pages. Here, I never have any problems.

    So the question is basically how an affiliate site ranks relatively quickly in 2015 without being sandboxed.
    For this particular keyword, the top 40 sites consist of proper brands or old affiliate pages (2 years plus).
     
  4. Knasper

    Knasper Junior Member

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    Thanks for your reply mate, the problem is not so much to get rankings, but not to get put in the sandbox.

    Here is a typical development for the main keyword: http://i58.tinypic.com/9jgozo.png
     
  5. cloudyseo

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    It's all about authority now. The old websites have authority established. This means, a lot of content together with on page SEO + high quality links. What kind of backlinks you build? Try some high pr guest posts, article directories, PBN. and some for diversity...forums, blog comments, etc.
     
  6. Knasper

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    The links I build are good, we have a huge PBN with very, very strong sites. The same sites that ranked proper brands without problems.

    It's how to rank new affiliate sites that puzzles me when the SERPs only are full of brands and old affiliate sites. Is it even possible to rank these type
    of sites any longer?
     
  7. cloudyseo

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    High competition is getting harder to break these days because Google makes a big deal with the authority and age of a website. For example, try to compare the stats (indexed pages, backlinks, age, CF/TF, DA/PA) of the new website you try to rank with all from page 1. I bet your new website has weaker stats. Focus on improving those weak spots. If you said you have a good PBN then I am sure you can rank the site.
     
  8. Knasper

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    Yes, the age is a killer. It's very difficult to get around it. Would focus on long tails be a better strategy maybe?
     
  9. IAlwaysWin

    IAlwaysWin Junior Member

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    I always start off by making my affiliate sites look as little like affiliate sites as possible. shezboy has an awesome plugin that works great for affiliate sites with "so-called" doorway pages. It masks all the links on your pages to look as if you're only providing pure content.

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...tors-bonus-link-building-method-approved.html

    This is a solution to your problem but not a mains to an end of the problem in general. If you catch my drift..

     
  10. Knasper

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    Awesome, now we're talking.

    As I said, I'm confident enough to rank 'normal' sites, which I do over and over again, but I would like to find the key to rank 'affiliate' sites. This could definitely be something.

    Just a question, I always nofollow the affiliate links (which I then cloak). Would this make a difference you think?
     
  11. Knasper

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    By the way, does any of you guys add SSL to your affiliate sites or is this overkill?
     
  12. ja1myn

    ja1myn Senior Member

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    If it's a large, thick affiliate site with useful content it won't be a bad idea. But if it's a thin one then don't waste your money.
     
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    Do On Page SEO perfectly and then get backlinks from high authority sites, if your niche is competitive then try real niche site backlinks. It will be also helpful if you create page for your sites.
     
  14. Knasper

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    And what do we think about link building velocity? Remember, these will be brand new sites without any trust etc and it's the sandbox effect I would like to know how it's avoided.
     
  15. qlithe

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    How about adding the affiliate links after your site is ranking?
     
  16. Knasper

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    That's also a very good point.
     
  17. Knasper

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    How fast do you tend to rank affiliate pages yourselves when you go 'white hat' about it?