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How do I sabotage a business' reputation online.

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by skypilot, Sep 6, 2009.

  1. skypilot

    skypilot Registered Member

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    Background
    I have sold automotive supplies to this out-of-state company on three occasions for about 14 months. They have paid with credit card in the past, but 10 weeks ago asked if I would send supplies totalling $2200 and get paid after 30 days. Reluctantly, I agreed.

    10 weeks later, I am unpaid. They now do not answer emails although they have in the past. When I call, I am told to speak with their "bookkeeping service" and will not be connected with the owner of the company, whom I have spoken with in past deals. The "bookkeeping service" says they have not received "check writing authorization" from the company and it will be several weeks until they do. Balderdash! What company could exist without the ability to pay bills?

    If you have ever been owed money, you know how frustrating it feels. $2200 is not a small sum of money to me.

    The Plan
    This company markets agressively online, and I have the opportunity to alert their audience and potential customers that they do not pay their bills.

    I'd like to initiate an online campaign that affects their business enough that they relent and pay my bill. At that point, I 'd like to withdraw the campaign. Therefore, what I do must be reversible.

    Here's what I have planned so far:

    1. Create a Youtube video describing their failure to pay my bill. They have about 6 promotional videos that appear for an important search term. The 6 videos are also returned when one searches for their company's name. This video would have a photo of the owner's face and the word "LIAR" written across it. Beneath the photo, I'll describe how they owe me $2200 and are avoiding me and passing me off to avoid payment.

    2. There are two message boards they post on. I also post there. About 30% of the members of this message board are potentially customers of their training company. There may be 10,000 board memebers, so I could potentially inform 3000 potential customers that they are an unethical company.

    3. Ripoffreport.com. This is a powerful site. If a company rips you off, you can create a report here that within 3 days registers very high on Google. In most cases, it appears on the first page when searching for the company's name. So if Salem BMW rips you off, you simply post a report on ripoffreport.com and when people search for "Salem BMW" they see the rip off report on the first page of Google.

    4. Post a negative review in their Google Local Business entry. I may only threaten to do this, as these reviews are not reversable.



    So, any other ideas? I'm confident the BHW community can offer some help. :D
     
  2. Jcsarokin

    Jcsarokin Power Member

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    I didnt read your thread. Dont sabotage somebodys business because your not as good at them at doing your business.

    Its also illegal.
     
  3. csgcsg2

    csgcsg2 BANNED BANNED

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    yes go ahead and do it, but if they dispute you and sue you for defaming them, you better have the balls to handle it. this is probably a classic case if they scan screw you because they are big, they will do it.

    if you have all the documents of your transaction and proof that they owe you, you can either engage a lawyer to claim your debts or outsource it to debt agencies.

    i would not advice you to defame them online unless you cover your tracks well.
     
  4. sandchica

    sandchica Regular Member

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    If you publicly slander their business, they can sue you. If that happens, you will likely discover that you will owe them more than the amount of their bill in defamation damages. Probably your best option for getting even would be to send them to collections and destroy their credit.

    Edit: we must have been typing at the same time.
     
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  5. skypilot

    skypilot Registered Member

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    Read carefully.

    Slander is spreading false information about a company (ie, this company rips off their customers, this company didn't pay their taxes, etc.).

    I have no plans to spread false information. I'm simply going to state they did not pay a rather large bill and that if you are considering doing business with them, to be cautious given this fact.

    I have an invoice dated 10 weeks ago. I even have an email from the owner four weeks ago acknowledging that he received the invoice and simply did not pay it because of a "bookkeeping" error but that he planned to pay it soon.

    I only plan to release these facts and ask the reader to draw his own conclusions without reading my post.

    I suspect those who responded saw the word "sabotage" in my title and jumped to their own conclusions
     
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  6. DeadEyesOpened

    DeadEyesOpened Junior Member

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    They're dragging you out, they most likely have an internal policy of paying in 90 days, common in the auto parts industry, I would say you are going to get paid in 3 weeks or so, engage a debt collection service.

    In future put them on cash/credit card only.

    Welcome to the world of business.
     
  7. skypilot

    skypilot Registered Member

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    I understand the auto parts industry (more like the auto dealership policy) of net 90. This was a net 30 specifically written on the invoice. The owner begged for this deal. He knew it was 30 days.
     
  8. gbmack

    gbmack Power Member

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    If you want revenge, go for it.

    I would let them know beforehand that you will post your bad experiences with them all over the internet before you do so. Then they might pay you. There is nothing they can do legally because what happened has happened, and you have the freedom of speech.

    Also, use web of trust firefox addon, and add bad reviews.
     
  9. creditwrench

    creditwrench Newbie

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    What you are suggesting to do won't work well for you and some of it is downright childish. Turn it over to a collection agency and you lose control of the debt and if you get anything at all it will be peanuts. The right way is to sue them for the amount of the debt. You can do it without even having to hire an attorney. I recommend using a properly prepared intent to sue letter and give them 10 days or you will file the enclosed lawsuit. Let them actually look at what is staring them in the face and what it is going to cost them if they don't pay up. If you don't get your money in the 10 days then go file the lawsuit. OH, you can't do that because you don't know how to prepare the paperwork or file it? That's what I teach people how to do. I teach them how to win in court without lawyers. It isn't rocket science and I can have you all ready to go in a day or two at most depending on how much time you can allot to doing the work. I teach people how to defeat lawsuits too. I teach them how to turn the tables on the debt collector and their lawyer by filing a case on them in federal court. My students never lose. The nice part about it is that once you learn how you will always know how.
     
  10. skypilot

    skypilot Registered Member

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    I'll certainly pursue collections if he isn't responsive to my online efforts.

    Suing them is not easy, given that they are 1100 miles away in a different state.
     
  11. skypilot

    skypilot Registered Member

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    Update:

    I got a very quick response from this business owner using rip off report dot com.

    He guards his reputation online very carefully, and has agreed to pay the bill.

    I believe that you can get superb service from companies (car dealers, restaurants, retailers, accountants, etc.) if you remind them that through google reviews, citysearch, angieslist, ripoffreport, seo, etc., you can let their customers know the story of your poor experience.

    Don't threaten. Don't blackmail. Just remind them ofyour power to share your story with billions online. And if you do, be very careful and factual in your report.

    Power to the customer.
     
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