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how difficult is to rank for THIS keyword phrase?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by ohyeahbabe, Nov 28, 2010.

  1. ohyeahbabe

    ohyeahbabe Junior Member

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    Keyword phrase is Brno hotels. How difficult is to be on first page? top 3? number 1?

    I am still learning how to properly read competition so would love to hear what other people think to see if I am at least getting similar idea.

    Thank you
     
  2. Griggs

    Griggs Junior Member

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    Ridiculously hard... Not worth it
     
  3. Kickflip

    Kickflip BANNED BANNED

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    Very easy. Should be able to rank as #1 in about 2 months. If you pay someone to do it for you, they can probably do it in 1 month.
     
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    I'm going to disagree. There are a lot of high PR sites ranking. Tons of backlinks to the site, and almost all are 7+years old. And high competition for onsite SEO such as title, url, h1, and desc. BUT, the links to the actual page are reasonably low. 26, 11, 146, 335, 432. Those are the links to the ranking page for the top 5. You can move in there if your onsite SEO is good, and you pack the backlinks on properly. If you can make money from it, it is worth the effort.
     
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  5. ohyeahbabe

    ohyeahbabe Junior Member

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    Thanks for the input. I have 3 questions:

    You say those domains are old and have tons of backlinks, BUT the actual pages not so. My question is - should I care that those domains are old and all IF I am trying to compete only with actual page which list Brno hotels only? What relevance does backlinks to for instance hotels . com has if I am competing with hotels . com /brnohotels only?

    Could you tell me how do you get those numbers? For instance the second result is brno hotels dot com and it has 2513 links (according to seoquale or yahoo siteexplorer). I don't see that number in your list so I am asking what am I doing wrong?

    Most important question - would it be possible to rank top 5 using free methods only? web2.0, article directories and social bookmarking?
    If not - what else do I need to rank there?

    Thank you
     
  6. ohyeahbabe

    ohyeahbabe Junior Member

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    delete, double post
     
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  7. ohyeahbabe

    ohyeahbabe Junior Member

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    any arguments to back it up ? :)
     
  8. HeroWillDrown

    HeroWillDrown Junior Member

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    Like someone above mention backlinks to the ranked page are not that high, so in my opinion you stand a chance. With the right tools it's doable in 1 month. I haven't done a rough analysis on the keyword so this is just my rough estimate. Good luck mate.
     
  9. Griggs

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    All authority sites with aged domains. It's really hard to compete with an authority site.
     
  10. ohyeahbabe

    ohyeahbabe Junior Member

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    But I am not competing with main domains, I am competing with pages of those authority domains.

    If I have for example super authority music dot com domain and some day I decide to create a page for "whatever bla bla music band" on music dot com/whatever bla bla music band . html it does not make you impossible to compete with me for keyword "whatever bla bla music band" just because my main domain music dot com is authority. You look at that particular page of mine and that is not so much authority as my top level domain..
     
  11. ohyeahbabe

    ohyeahbabe Junior Member

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    Its subjective.

    The question is how much work is needed to rank. Worth it or not I will decide later :)
     
  12. banel

    banel Regular Member

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    First of all why did you chose that phrase? G Adwords Tool shows only 40-50 searches/month, both exact and phrase match.
     
  13. bananaman5000

    bananaman5000 Regular Member

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    i agree with englandrm's analysis. you can do it if your onsite seo is perfect. then its linkbuilding. it may take awhile to get there.

    if you own a hotel, i would highly recommend getting a maps listing and SEOing that.

    don't forget to log into different accounts and leave yourself good reviews
    . this can really affect your business
     
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    I just did a quick search and what I see is a list of Google places. Are you trying to rank above those or within google places? They require different methods.

    Google places is where you want to be for local searches. It's hard to rank above the places list but doable. You're better off with ranking a google places listing.

    To do that you're going to need a lot of reviews since the competition each have quite a few reviews. You're also going to need a lot of quality citations and a well SEO'd places page.

    All doable but it's going to take some work. Hardest part is getting a lot of reviews and not getting them too fast.
     
  15. Seth Manson

    Seth Manson Newbie

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    I am pretty new to this but I have been using Senuke as my program for keyword research and to get links to my page. The program works really well but it is a little on the pricey side.
     
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    I would agree if you own the hotel or are working for someone who owns this particular check replublic hotel you should first focus on google maps/places listing. Also before you do anything check if Banel is correct.

    Why spend time and money ranking for a search that only 50 people a month are searching for? I run into this all the time in my niche(s) The keyword search Cityname executive limo has a 100% competition bar on google adwords with 100-200 monthly local searches. My competition is killing each other to try to rank for a search no one searches for.

    I recommend doing some keyword research first and see what other keywords that have low competition can do for you.
     
  17. ohyeahbabe

    ohyeahbabe Junior Member

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    No, he is wrong. Exact search number is 1600 a month, not 50 a month.

    Thanks for google places advice, but please keep it OUT of this thread.

    My concern is natural rankings EXCEPT google places. So once again - lets talk about natural competition except google places. I hope it won't be mentioned again because it redirects/hijacts the original topic. I AM ASKING ONLY ABOUT COMPETING WITH NATURAL LISTINGS. I would appreciate only answers similar to this:

    Thanks
     
  18. banel

    banel Regular Member

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    @ohyeahbabe: Where did you get than number ? 1600. What did you used?

    I checked your keyword in keyword tool from my adwords account, and it shows only 50 searches a month.

    L.E.: I think you looked at global searches. :p

    You need to rank for a specific country right? And i think that's czech republic. Well, in czech republic, according to keyword tool from GOOGLE, there are only 36 exact match searches a month ! Even the broad match has only 170.
     
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  19. ohyeahbabe

    ohyeahbabe Junior Member

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    Buddy, do you realize that people searching for brno hotels are those who want to book a hotel in brno and it does not matter which country they are from because room charge is the same for everyone?
    Some common sense maybe :)
     
  20. oinky222

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    its not an easy keyword but its not unreasonable either. all of the sites are high authority sites but the pages themselves dont have that many backlinks and i doubt the backlinks to these pages are using the anchor text you want to rank for (double check with SEO Spyglass though just to make sure) which means it can definitely be done. just make sure your on-page seo is perfect and make sure that not only do you build a large quantity of backlinks, but you build many backlinks that are on high PR PAGES as well (pages != domains), and all of them, have the EXACT anchor text that you want to rank for (don't vary it at all). i definitely think if you put some time in it could be done in less than a month
     
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