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How can you tell if a SEO company can really deliver?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by billbobi, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. billbobi

    billbobi Regular Member

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    One of my friends who owns a business wants SEO done for his site and hes gone for these guys hxxp://www.intellisensetechnology.ca/ hes going to be paying them $700 every 6 months and wants to rank for competitive key words.

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     SEO Charges (All Charges are for 6 Months duration)
    
    Package 1   
    
    Features:-
    
    v Website Analysis - Industry & Technical Analysis (or Pre SEO Analysis)
    
    v Keyword Analysis on the basis of keyword competition & popularity (Keywords Given by Client
    
    v Number of Keywords / Phrases targeted: 15 - 20.
    
    v Meta Tags Composition (Index Page + 25 other Pages)
    
    v Search Engine Submissions
    
    v Monthly Search Engine Ranking Reports
    
    v Re-submissions whenever required based on ranking report.
    
    v Monthly Log Analysis for Web Traffic Analysis
    
    v Reciprocal & Three Way linking to build your link popularity campaign
    
    v Link Exchange page Creation Optimization.
    
    v Blogs and other social networking sites (Face book, Twitter, etc.) link created.
    
    v Article Submissions (150 Articles)
    
    v Directory Submissions (2000 Directories
    
    
    is it worth it? i am a semi noob when it comes to real SEO for a company.
     
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  2. hispdcha

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    What type of niche is he in? How much competition? That letter seems like a very bland - typical India SEO proposal. Build some cheap links, send out emails for reciprocal links, and just trade links with shitty sites. If it's a really easy niche and the client doesn't give a shit about telling visitors to go check out other sites on his links page, then I guess it might work for a bit.
     
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  3. Captainwtf

    Captainwtf Registered Member

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    $700 every 6 months is a bit on the cheap side of things, I would definately recommend that he looks into what they can truly deliver and what form of guarantee they offer in regards to the rank the site reaches.
     
  4. Tentanks

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    The SEO company should also be able to provide proof of results for keywords they ranked websites for.
     
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    kawarimi Registered Member

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    Do analysis of their website. Check the keywords they've used and their current rank.
     
  6. billbobi

    billbobi Regular Member

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    Sorry for not specifying the niche, it's clothing.

    Very competitive keywords, and thanks for the replys! I just want to give him the best advice I can... He is a close friend.
     
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  7. Ninjutsu

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    $700/6 months is cheap if it works and if your friend has little knowledge on SEO.

    #1 - #8 features that you listed there are pretty basic and it wouldn't cost more than $100 if you ask me. I would even do it for free for you because it won't take me more than 20 minutes tops.

    Article / directory submissions can be done under $50. Getting an article properly written in syntax format will cost you most of that budget.

    So it leaves us with these features that are worth looking into:

    1) Three way linking.

    2) Blogs and other social network links

    Ask for an example how these are done and lastly, creating a page for link exchange worth close to nothing and it can be done in minutes. Set up a blank page within the site and list your contact info and believe it or not, there will be people contacting you to exchange links over time.

    Hope that helps.
     
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  8. steviep

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    In competitive niches big companies have full time SEO that earn 3 to 4k grand a month, often there is a team of many individuals with outsourcing on top, do you really believe you can compete with 100 bucks a month? I know of top notch optimizers who wont touch a site without a hefty upfront payment. (and i talk high 4 digit). Those companies spend 700 dollar a day on Adwords (or even more), just to get you a picture who you might compete with...

    It always amazes me how people try to find SEO experts and superstar individuals and want to pay peanuts. 9 out of 10 times you get what you pay for. If you invest 100 bucks dont expect to get rich quick...

    To get back to your question, start small, give them a very detailed task that can/should be achieved in a short period of time, and that is easy to controll if they did what they say they will do... If they deliver what you expect give them more work...
     
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  9. hispdcha

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    This right here!!!

    The clothing niche? $100 a month? Are you crazy? :eek:

    You're talking about sites like JCPenney and Overstock and Walmart and Amazon and blah blah there's a million of em! If some little Indian can rank that site in the clothing niche for $115 a month, send them my details as I have a few offers I would like to discuss!!

    Okay kidding aside, here's some real talk. Clothing niche means buyers, and lots of them. Lots of buyers = lots of cash. People like cash, especially people with money to throw around. So, you know that you're going to be competing against some rather tough fellows out there. And, Google these days likes brands A LOT in E-commerce niches. It's like you have to work twice as hard as a big brand just to hit the front page. Best plan of action? Pick a niche. Money can be made in niches as you work your way up to the big boy land.

    If you've never done niche research, there is a TON of information out there on picking something you stand a chance at ranking for. Find a niche that isn't as crazy competitive as clothing. Pick like jeans, then go to a jeans style, and then get a jeans brand with that style and see if you have a chance. (That's just an example!)

    Next, once you find a niche, see if there is an Exact Match Domain available, and if you have to, just 301 your friends site to the EMD domain (unless of course your friends site already has some nice rankings). If no EMD is available, try another niche and so on until you find one that gets 1000+ searches a month with an EMD.

    In fact, it would be a better investment to pay someone to find you 20 or so keywords for that $700 dollars that meet this criteria. That way, you KNOW before spending a dime on SEO that the keywords you're trying to target are 1. Attainable. and 2. Worth it.

    Managing expectations: Is it really possible to rank a clothing site on $100 a month? Think about the returns a keyword like that can bring. Take those returns and take about 2/3's of that as money you have to spend to start seeing half of those returns.

    So if you rank in the top 10 for "white t-shirts" and it gets 1 million searches a month at $7 a t-shirt, you would probably make somewhere close to $20k or more a month on the first page of Google. Take 2/3's of that 20k and that should be your SEO budget to have a chance to get anywhere close to the front page. (Just an example!)
     
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    I have a simple rule of how to determine scam SEO companies.

    If they have anything like "Search Engine Submission" or "Submitting Site to
    1000 Search Engines" I know it is either SCAM or bullshitters who don't do
    a squat for the money they got paid.
     
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    As someone said, I'd pay $100 for everything in total. Google is very smart to fall for such lame ass seo techniques. There's a software called IBP that can do the website analysis, search engine submissions, directory submissions free for you. Getting 150 article backlinks might cost you $20 or so.

    And the best part was the number of keywords. I guess ranking one keyword in such a niche for $700 is pretty tough, and 15-20 keywords!! LOL. Someone's trying to rip you.
     
  12. Sampler

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    Yeah, while I'm not sure of what keywords he is exactly targeting that seems like a very low priced service.

    What I'd suggest is find a company which will work on a basis where you pay them for the first few months, and if they don't deliver the results they promised, they'll work for free until they do.

    I've done a few contracts with some companies with some sites in this way, and they always seemed to deliver great results so I had to keep on paying them :) definitely worth it though and it's a nice little piece of surety
     
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    ha ha ha... that proposal was really funny.. but everything goes today.. the simple rule is if someone knows how to rank a website for a very competitive keyword and is providing service, just tell me how he can afford to do it for such low cost? Why should he?

    Even assuming that he might not have the ability to run an offline business to compliment his site, he can very well make affiliate based site and earn 1000s of dollars a month rather than working for such low price..

    Submitting to search engines???? my foot.. even kids do that, and this is how newbies start an seo company and sell their services. trust me, you can do a better job than these seo companies if you go through the forum regularly..
     
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    Because I deal in eCommerce, if an SEO company will agree to increase sales in writing, they have my attention. If I'm paying an SEO company $1000/mo, they have to be able to show they can bring me at least $3,000 in gross sales I didn't have before their assistance.
     
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    If I was the owner of that company .. I would have asked for a $2000 / month .. lol $700 kinda cheap becareful...
     
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    My rule of thumb is
    If he can rank such high competition for you
    he surely must have a very good rank for his own website.
    If not. forget about him.

    Also clothing niche covers a multitude, Since we dont have enough info.
    how can anybody say for sure, what is a good price.

    As for the services he is offering.
    they are basic and you can get them done on fiverr.

    I would like to know which sites they have ranked
    and then contact the owners of the sites, to see if they are telling the truth.

    $700 a month in that niche is not a lot .
    but at the same time if it was my money. I would take care, where I spend it
     
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    you get what you pay for
     
  18. Drink More Tea

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    Is the company hxxp://www.intellisensetechnology.ca/ like the OP said, or hxxp://www.aashigroupindia.com/ like softwareprogram said?
     
  19. billbobi

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    yeah sorry for that, i pasted the wrong address first time, the first one was a website they did for a construction company. should have included this is the edit notes. my bad