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How can this be fair? A good moan from the UK...

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by falconer, May 7, 2010.

  1. falconer

    falconer Registered Member

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    Feel really let down by our miserable UK government today.....perhaps not the right place to let of steam but here goes....

    So I leave school at age 15......work like f**k for the last 47 years........never, ever out of work....either employed or self employed....never, ever taken a penny from the state in all those years....always paid my taxes.........

    So along comes the downturn.......my job in the mortgage industry disappears overnight......so I become self-employed ....take anything I can get......just to cover the bills......at my age it's not easy to get work but I get by.....

    So two weeks ago the client (Bast**d) I have been doing most of my work for does a runner......no chance of getting paid for a whole months work.....left me a bit desperate...(Don't worry....Ive got around it now.!) so I swallow my pride and for the first time in my life walk into a benefits office........must be able to get a little temporary help right?......Wrong!

    After a half hour interview I'm told that I qualify for nothing.........nada.....zilch.......no help whatsoever.....Why?.....because I've been self employed for more than 6 months1 WTF!! If I had been employed by someone else during those months I would have qualified for a little help.

    Now the thing that pisses me off is that my next door neigbour is Polish.....he and his wife and two kids arrived in the UK 6 months ago as part of the European 'open door' policy......there is an agreement between all EU members that people can live and work anywhere within the EU....

    I got to know him reasonably well..... now this guy has never worked since he has been here.....nor has his wife........the whole family live entirely on benefits handed out by our government......he has never, ever paid a penny in UK tax....never contributed anything at all......yet the government pay his rent, gave him a car so he can get the kids to school, give him a 'jobseekers' allowance as long as he 'looks' for work.....child allowance for both the kids.....and of course free health care......free school meals...free dental care......and so on...

    Since 2004 over 274,000 poles have applied to come to the UK......can't blame them as we all want a better life for our families, but no wonder we're so deep in the sh*t is it?.........

    Sorry guys and gals but I feel better for that..........
     
  2. shadowman

    shadowman Registered Member

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    Just look at what's happening in the US. We have no more money but Obumbles opens the door wide to more illegal aliens raping the US tax-payers. Won't be long till the whole house-of-cards economy comes crashing down. The basic laws of economics can only be denied for so long before they come back to bite you in the ass.
     
  3. ForeverNever

    ForeverNever Power Member

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    So wait... you're telling me your jobs and taxes are going to help people that are coming in from another country while you get screwed?

    that's absurd and i have never heard of that before. ever.
     
  4. C0ldf1re

    C0ldf1re Newbie

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    It worked for some people I know. (Not that I want to know them, but sometimes you can't help it!)
     
  5. Elitepinki

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    2 familys moved in over the road from me too and they get everything paid and are always buying clothes ect.
     
  6. JunglePocket

    JunglePocket Registered Member

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    Dude I feel your pain. Life can feel pretty shitty sometimes. I didnt vote yesterday, but I'm satisified with the Labour government. The alternative parties were nothing special and pretty much have the same policies apart from the BNP. Please dont tell me you voted for them by the way! Life is shit and then you die. Get on with some blackhatting and make some money before you do.
     
  7. kendra

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    The amount of money paid out in benefits by the UK Gov. exceeds the gross national Tax income. That in itself speaks lots.

    If things tip any further the UK will be in a far bigger mess than Greece.

    Then what happens when there are no countries left to go to in order to get a bail-out?

    And no one should feel bad about claiming benefits from the government. If you have a national insurance number (or social security number) then the government owe you that money. Most people are unaware of exactly what the NI and SS number are for (literally speaking they are your Government Employment Number).
     
  8. philionaire

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    Really sorry to hear that.

    I lived in Scotland for 29 years before I moved to Canada last summer. Best move of my life (wish I had done it when I was 18).

    I just seen the whole UK falling apart and didnt want to be a part of it. Ive still to get a full time job or "make it online", but will never quit trying. And like you, have always worked since I left school and never looked for a handout.

    I must admit, it does seem to happen here in Canada and the US (obviously with other nationalitys), and, no disrespect to them, if they want to live in a new land then they should be willing to work and put in their dues.

    Agree with Hexalor about the drink/drugs problem as well. Seen to many of my mates going down that route, and to be honest that was a big factor in leaving as well (not my mates, the fact that the government is so willing to fling very good money at people who abuse the system, when there are better ways to use it).

    Here in Vancouver there is a LOT more homeless (and crazy people) as there is very little benefits, so its a 2 sided coin, but there is help if you want it, just not AS many freebies that you get in the UK.

    Hope you get a job soon, and the new government makes decent changes to the whole process.

    Phil.
     
  9. dvdgangster

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    The flip side is, the UK is F**ked and now you as a European citizen can move to poland,were theirs more opportunity!
     
  10. Bucks

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    I agree with you falconer...totally sucks how certain things run:( just doesnt make any sense!

    As for all this election crap going on atm...why do people get so serious about it all?? only people that will benefit from the outcome are the political parties.

    You on the other hand, life wont change! food prices will still keep going up, everytime you go to fill up your tank at the petrol station it will cost you more, the promises you where sold by the cringe speaches all of a sudden are no longer relevant and forgotten....why bother with all the fuss in the first place
     
  11. magpie2419

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    I used to live on a council estate in Newcastle, the road I lived on, I had lived there for years bought my house paid my taxes worked fucking hard, about 60% of the people on that one street never bothered to work or look for work, nearly all were on the fiddle.
    In particular there were a couple of families where both the husband and wife told DHSS they were separated so both got payments, while actually working on the side. They could afford new cars, holidays abroad and had houses that would put small palaces to shame. One of them has now also started claiming invalidity benefit.

    I reported the whole fucking lot of them, nothing happened they are still claiming and fiddling, from what Ive seen at least 60% of all claimants are on the fiddle. So its not just the Poles.
     
  12. Gupnup

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    I know where you're coming from, and don't get me wrong, its fucking bullshit. But you seem to be stereotyping all Polish people and immigrants as bad.

    My parents are both Polish and immigrated to Canada. My dad fucking slaved and still slaves off his ass for 20 years. He actually works 12 hours a day in the fucking arctic, where its often below 60 Celsius. Last year we paid 40k in taxes because "we're high earners" and I honestly doubt we got even half of that back from the government. Theres nothing wrong with immigrants, they start at the bottom and get shit jobs, they pay taxes, and work their way up. Never once did we get government support. Whats wrong is fucking lazy ass immigrants and illegals... no whats wrong is lazy as PEOPLE that take advantage of the system. And I'm willing to bet that theres just as many Brits, and other ethnic groups taking advantage of the welfare system.

    The problem lies with the government, they need to stop being fucking socialistic bastards because its attracting lazy bastards and fucking up countries. We let the government fuck it up. The government is absolute shit.

    What I'm getting at is, don't stereotype all Polish people, or any other ethnic group as lazy mooches. So far what you've posted make me think you're making this assumption based on 1 Polish family.

    But holy shit, its fucking absolutely disgusting that fucking certain Polish people abuse the system like this and then give certain groups bad names. And that pisses me off.

    Oh, not to sound like an arrogant jackass, but theres a reason Europe as a whole, is accepting tons of immigrants. Europe's population is declining and in 10-20 years the workforce will go to shit. The economy will go to shit, and there won't be enough people/money to take care of YOU, that is assuming the fucked up government gives you a pension.

    Overall, don't blame you for being pissed off and stereotyping a little. We're all racist and at one time or another we had a racist or stereotypical thought. I know I have, and I admit it. I'm just standing up for what I am, Canadian and Polish lol.
     
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  13. falconer

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    Gupnup.........don't get me wrong.........I have absolutely nothing against polish people in general....in fact a have a lot of respect for them...(My father fought alongside Polish spitfire pilots during WW2.....)....

    My comments were about the system in general....and I gave my polish neighbour as an example only........it could equally have been about any EU immigrant into the UK.......

    Perhaps things will change a little with our new government........?
     
  14. C0ldf1re

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    The Chinese won't help us. They look down on us as inferior races. Or, at least, they would look down on us if they were a bit taller.
     
  15. JuicyBlack

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    WoW... that op post just made wanna go out and have a few drinks......
     
  16. toyo

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    The money you're using ain't your money anyway.. When was the last time you looked at the US national debt? No one's paying it, and it keeps ballooning.

    A while back there were rumors that the dollar is gonna collapse... but now EU governments are talking about disbanding the Euro... sad life....
     
  17. boyblue808

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    Granted it is crazy and annoying, however i suspect the reason you don't qualify is because you have money. The theory is you use it all up befeore the state helps you. If not then you seriously messed up your application. As you say the UK government hands this stuff out like pretty easily.
     
  18. JuicyBlack

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    Indeed... it would be interesting if somehow the national debt is blamed on illegal aliens instead of big ass financial institutions who started bundling shit as AAA+ mortgage backed securities and insurance companies who knew what was going on and kept insuring worthless shit.... gosh being JP morgan must be like a life-long orgasm.... but yeah ... the illegal Aliens are to blame for all that bad Karma!
     
  19. tacopalypse

    tacopalypse Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    the world would be an awful place if everything was 'fair'. for one thing, IM wouldn't exist because too many 9-5'ers would think it's 'unfair' that we're making all this money. :)

    imbalances exist everywhere in this world. being successful means figuring out how to use those to your advantage instead of just playing the victim.
     
  20. toyo

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    BHW is overhyping IM.. most guys here aren't making that much money IMHO... there's no killer method like there was cookie stuffing..

    those who make above $100 on an average day is rare but not extremely rare...

    You get to see lots of inflated earning figures around here.