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How can I tell if my new SEO client's site is sand boxed?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by popcrdom29, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. popcrdom29

    popcrdom29 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I recently acquired this new client for SEO work. He had a previous SEO guy that worked for
    him full time but they had some sort of dispute and he was fired in November. The owner told
    me that he didn't get along with another employee so they were both let go.

    Until the end of September, my client's site used to get over 6k hits a month and he made
    good sales. Traffic abruptly stopped exactly a month before this guy was fired. This leads
    me to believe that he was doing some blackhat stuff and may have been sandboxed.

    Furthermore, the site practically had no SEO on the landing page and was poorly structured.
    This site is 10 years old and has a PR0, it should have at least a PR4 by now. I looked at
    some of the competition and most are ranked at least a PR3.

    I convinced the owner to build a new website from scratch on another host because the one he has now
    really sucks but that will take a while. In the mean time I'm doing a little SEO on the current
    one but I'm not getting results. I've only been working on it for month but I'm almost getting
    nowhere trying to get some of his keywords ranked. Traffic has picked up a little, averaging about
    80 UV's a day.

    My client and his partner have no knowledge of SEO and didn't even know exactly what the previous
    SEO guy was doing.

    Here are some of the things I discovered that my client got screwed on by the previous SEO guy:

    1. Files were deleted off of the server such as the sitemap and robots.txt
    2. He had previous Adwords set up and all campaigns were deleted
    3. Meta tags and description were deleted
    4. Deleted google analytics tracking

    I'm sure other things were done wrong but that's all I know for now.

    Anyway, back to my original question - how can I tell if this site was sandboxed and any suggestions
    on how to straighten out this mess. I've already taken care of the obvious such as the deleted files
    and SEO'ing the landing page.

    I've also done some campaigns such as BMD, Web 2.0, a few articles (I know I need to do more), a lot
    of backlinking. I'm sure this is where the traffic is coming from now.

    Your input will be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. sapo

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    when he asks for a refund and fires you too LOL
     
  3. shaun_shaun

    shaun_shaun Junior Member

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    hire a sexy girl to tell that for you ..
     
  4. yowies

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    I would like to congratulate you on getting a client.!
    I hope your new client does not read these forums.
    If I was the client...I would ^%$# myself seeing my hired "seo gun" asking really basic seo questions here that "many" seo beginners would probably be aware of . :D
    Good luck..!!
    Jr Vip no less..
    I mean no offence from the above brother..!!:D
     
  5. Stupid Smurf

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    Okay, so I'll answer the question.

    Just search for the url in google and if it shows up, it isn't sand boxed, if it doesn't, it is.

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong.. that seems too simple, but might be why you guys are making fun of the OP lol.
     
  6. bluematter

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    well, if they don't have an agreement with previous seo guy then they can;t retain the files anyway. however, you should be very clear with them from the get-go as to where they stand before you begin to resolve there problems and raise them up i the index. explain everything to them in a simple manner and when you do get them back on the top they will appreciate you much more.
     
  7. MrVentures

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    It is that simple, that's why these guys are giving the OP a hard time. Finding out if your site is sandboxed is SEO 101.
     
  8. dsick

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    just put the site in google man, if its still in the index its not sandboxed.

    make sure you put the sitemap back up, and you could re submit it to webmaster tools.

    might want to also check if the ip has been banned by google, usually if thats the case you can just get a new host.

    also the guys previous client could have deleted the backlinks he built, that's why you should always ask for usernames and passwords so you can change them before you fire your workers!
     
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  9. MagicMike

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    I don't agree... you can be sandboxed, but not "deindexed". Deindexed is not showing up doing: site:yoursite.com Sandboxed is sitting somewhere and not moving.

    OP, I wish I had an answer for you. Maybe Google Webmaster tools may be helpful for you... Google now will often message you in Webmaster tools if there is a problem.
     
  10. dsick

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    yea i forgot to mention to put your website into google with quotes around it, if your not the first result you probably been sandboxed, thats not an accurate way to check though.
     
  11. shaun_shaun

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    completely false statement ! de-indexing is nothing to do with sandboxing ..


    P.S = yes. you can put your website into google with quotes and search if its sandboxed or not.. your previous comment is little misleading ..:)
     
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  12. Hierarchy

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    Research, rebuild, optimize and build links.. There is no such thing as a sandbox unless you dont know how to really do SEO then you can call not showing up in Google what ever you want especially after someone dismantled his site this is destined to happen...
     
  13. Stupid Smurf

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    That's what I thought. Seemed so obvious I thought there had to be a trick to it, LOL.
     
  14. popcrdom29

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    That's ok to all, I can take criticism. I've been around for a while and I'm not a pu$$y. Keep the sarcasm coming. lol

    Thanks MagicMike - the site is still indexed, just not ranking for keywords.

    bluematter. - he was an employee of the company and not a contractor so all of the files he deleted belonged to the company.
    I've already explained everything to them in detail so they are aware of what happened.

    dsick - True, he probably deleted all or most of the accounts and backlinks he created.

    Thanks for all of your comments, overall I'm not too worried. This is a long term SEO job so I'll get paid either way.
    I'm not a newbie and I'm providing them the best services that I can.

    Why do you think I'm a member of BHW? I learn from the best and that's all of you...
    And no I'm not drinking spiked eggnog.

    Merry Christmas to everyone




     
  15. blackfairy

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    Strange. I've never heard of an aged domain which sits in the sandbox. Usually the sandbox applies to new sites.

    And yeah, sandboxed and banned aren't the same. A site which is banned, is completly deindexed. A site which is sandboxed, is still in the index but doesn't show up if you search for the keywords.
     
  16. mohitjmehta

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    some sort of info. cant be given in public either create thread in jr vip area or skype me.
     
  17. ascura

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    Maybe it's getting a kind of penalty.

    I have a 10+ years site with proper on page, and 'not so good' link building methods.
    varies methods, from profiles, comments, articles, blog networks, to press releases.
    It ranked on #5 for 160k exact searches (global, due to the niche).
    It's PR5. The traffics is around 300-500 per day (from several keywords).
    But it only earned less then $100/month.

    Then I decided to sell links, homepage/blogroll..
    I got more then $150/months from those links.
    Then out of no where.. the traffics were gone.
    It ranked on #50+ on all keywords.
    Maybe it is 50 penalty?

    I didn't removed the links, it is an autopilot, after all.
    And no matter what efforts I took, the ranks are just getting worse..
    But I believe if I removed the links I can get back to page 1.
    But I don't really care... it's on an autopilot profit mode
    I can use my resources on other sites, right?

    I know it's a different problem with your client site.
    But I think it's getting a kind of penalty, due to any reasons.
    And penalty is cureable, usually it has something to do with on page.
    Not always, but on an old site you can't get penalty easily due to your off page seo.
    And yes, it needs sometimes to ensure the G to believe you are a good boy now.

    Maybe you need to check the overall site, files, pages, whatever..
    Yes, some hackers can edit your files and put their 'pen** booster site' links.
    Happened to me several times.

    Good luck