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How about this kind of domains?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by nakamura, Feb 13, 2017.

  1. nakamura

    nakamura Senior Member

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    Today I was looking through the serps and found a few very interesting domains ranking in the Top 3.

    I don't want to leak their domain (might be one of yours), but to give an example it was like:

    dogs.com-training.net
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    freedownload.com-theme.online

    Never saw this kind of domain before, especially in the Top 3/5. Whats the trick behind this?

    EDIT: Might be only clever subdomains?
     
  2. iisark

    iisark Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    There are many subdomains ranking pretty well in the SERP's. Why this is surprise you?
     
  3. casperl

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    Subdomain name. It looks very spammy.
     
  4. iisark

    iisark Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I never heard for subdomain name to be spammy...who told you that? Also if your site has at least few topics it is very good idea to separate it on subdomains or subdirectories. About.com is a pretty good example.
     
  5. drei29

    drei29 BANNED BANNED

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    Yep I see a lot of subdomains ranking pretty good. It really depends on your competition, on page, off page so it's all about on your approach.
     
  6. casperl

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    Did you check subdomain names that he shared? (e.g. dogs.com-training.net) they are not natural. Any human who reviews these subdomains can understand that there is something wrong with the domain names (I called them spammy because they look like machine generated - not useful for humans). For example, if it was dogs.training.net, I could correlate it with about.com.
     
  7. ghoroztar

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    Domain names or subdomains may appear spammy but that is not a reason for them to not rank.
     
  8. iisark

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    If you show me at least 1 website penalized for using any kind of subdomains I will buy you a beer. The crappy content, links, cloaking or any other BH methods is what cause a site to be penalized. If I create a subdomain: dogs.com-training.net and then post the most informative & useful content about "Training Dogs" on earth, do you think Google will penalize my site? This is a rhetorical question.
     
  9. nakamura

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    I get it guys.

    Now the question is: Does Google take it as an exact match keyword domain?
    If the keyword is Dog Training Easy Online and the domain name is Dog.training-easy.online. Is it an exact match domain in googles understanding?
     
  10. iisark

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    It depends. Google took an action against exact match domains few years ago, but there are still websites ranking pretty well with partial and exact match domains simply because they fool Google that users search for their brand name rather then exact keyword.

    In other words - there is still a chance for you to fool Google that "Dog Training Easy Online" is your brand name, but this will not last long. IMO the next coming updates wipe these site out.
     
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    Who talked about penalization? It looks like you are trying to argue with me. :) It looks spammy. That is my opinion. And if you create a poll with "Yes, it looks spammy", "No, it does not look spammy" and "None of the above" choices, I am sure that the majority of answers will be "Yes...".

    BTW I like your posts (like Nargil). You have experience. But for this topic, I don't know why you try to push your opinion. There is nothing to argue about.
     
  13. iisark

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    Hi casperl,

    I'm not trying to argue with you :). I can agree that these subdomains doesn't look very good, but 80% of the websites out there looks ugly/spammy as well. IMO the subdomian name is the last thing you need to worry about when creating a website. For large websites which need to be structured well I have experimented with subdomains, sub-directories and even with different domains for each section and the results were pretty much the same. The internal structure is what makes the difference ( proper breadcrumbs, pagination, internal links, unique meta mata...)

    P.S.: this is just my personal opinion. I don't say you must agree with all my posts, but when hearing other people's thoughts is much easier to see the truth :)
     
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    I'm a little confused. I use subdomains, most of the sites I have are technically subdomains of my first site. But every domain has its own URL and I would never think to send anyone to my page using a URLthat combined the main and sub domains.

    So when you mention a "dogs.com-training.net" does that mean that the person owns both "dogs.com" and "training.net" or did they buy the complex "dogs.com-training.net"?

    Hope this isn't a stupid question, I'm not the most technically minded. I'm a writer, not a developer. Any help clearing this up would be much obliged.
     
  15. casperl

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    I guess that you think that I am saying that this is bad from SEO perspective. I am not evaluating this from SEO perspective. I used "spam" in a general context. I am sure that adding ".com" to the end of subdomain name will not make any difference regarding ranking (excluding manual spam check - it can be dangerous. Again I am not the G employee reviewing this website. So I am not sure for manual penalty either. If google/he think like you, he can simply notice the ugly name and skip and it can be the best approach in general. But I think a webmaster choosing such a name should get an "ugliness penalty" :) ).

    But from user perspective, it is a disaster. You have complete control on the sudomain name. Adding ".com" to the end of a subdomain name is ridiculous and makes no sense.

    P.S. I am just trying to explain my perspective. :)