housing market will not crash dammit dammit dammit

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they extended the forbearance for evictions and foreclosures until the end of the year
because of this, housing market will not crash
I need it to crash so I can finally become a homeowner
 
Then what will happen at the new year? all jobs are back? all economy will be back?
We have not bottomed yet, we will by Feb-May next year, when all of the government help/ money dry out.
Real estate will suffer like everything else.
 
Here in the UK, landlords are about to suffer, it's coming up to the peak of the bubble, and it's about to pop. I can't fricking wait. 5-10 years it takes the average person to save for a deposit, just a deposit. It use to be around 1 year.

Renting is awful. You have to pay more than you would for a mortgage, except you can't change anything without the landlords permission, you can't do everything you want too without the landlords permission. Want a hot tub in the back garden? Nope will ruin their garden. Want a TV mounted on the wall? Nope will ruin their wall. Want to hang a picture? Nope they CANT BE BOTHERED TO FILL THE WHOLE AFTER. Want to smoke in your back garden? Nope majority are non smoking properties. Something breaks? Guess who's fault it is...

I want the bubble to pop just to punish these greedy bad landlords so they sell their properties after they lose all their investments.
 
I am on other side of the fence here LOL.

I have some houses and commercial units on rent and even in lockdowns I have taken full rents from tenants. (Please don't judge me based on that)

If market crashes I will add more units in my portfolio. If it doesn't then I will up the rent LOL.
 
Then what will happen at the new year? all jobs are back? all economy will be back?
We have not bottomed yet, we will by Feb-May next year, when all of the government help/ money dry out.
Real estate will suffer like everything else.

yes, when the vaccine comes, people will be back at their jobs and will be paying their mortgage.
that's why I am pissed. I am not pissed because it will happen later than I expected, I am pissed because it doesn't look like it will happen.
 
I am on other side of the fence here LOL.

I have some houses and commercial units on rent and even in lockdowns I have taken full rents from tenants. (Please don't judge me based on that)

If market crashes I will add more units in my portfolio. If it doesn't then I will up the rent LOL.

Out of curiosity, why do you buy properties? Out of all the possible businesses to get into in this era, how come you chose the one that makes it harder for people to own their own home especially during a housing crisis? How come you don't buy bad unused properties, make them better and then sell them? What's the attraction in buying properties to rent out so others pay for your mortgage?

Normally a free market works because people need something, so they get it, but landlords have now manipulated the market in a way that forces people to rent. They have no other option because of inflated house prices. Renting does not add value anymore, it's purely leaching money from people who don't want to rent but have no other option because landlords buy all the properties.

I won't judge you as an individual, but I personally think that the business of renting during a housing crisis is disgustingly immoral. 90% of your tenants probably want their own home, but will never be able to afford it because the majority of their pay check goes to you... as more an more landlords buy more properties for their portfolio, house prices inflate further, rent keeps increasing faster than wages can, and more and more people on higher wages start dropping into the section of never being able to afford their own home. All those children being born now will struggle to ever own their own home, and it's solely down to landlords with big portfolios. All landlords are doing is taking the supply away of houses away.
 
Did I even said I have mortgages? I have surplus money that is from income of online business. So I buy houses outright by negotiating with the seller as I pay full amount then and there.

Now after some years the rents and returns are such that my investment is out and property is free of cost to me.

Now why I don't start lighting my money on fire by pouring gasoline on it and why I invest it into buying properties is my choice and it has nothing to do with others who can't afford a house or rent.

Last thing. I myself was born poor and we lived in rented houses of others so that angle does not applies to me.
 
Did I even said I have mortgages? I have surplus money that is from income of online business. So I buy houses outright by negotiating with the seller as I pay full amount then and there.

Now after some years the rents and returns are such that my investment is out and property is free of cost to me.

Now why I don't start lighting my money on fire by pouring gasoline on it and why I invest it into buying properties is my choice and it has nothing to do with others who can't afford a house or rent.

Last thing. I myself was born poor and we lived in rented houses of others so that angle does not applies to me.

No, but they are still paying for your properties mortgage or not..

I'm just wondering why you chose a business that profits from peoples vulnerabilities instead of choosing a business where you can add value to peoples lives. There's just some businesses where profiteering is immoral, such as renting, medicine, basic food ect..
 
So question

Business dont pay the rent on the lease if they are closed

Reason why I ask this some business that are closed such as Carl's jr, taco bell in the mall.

But I see mom and pop business still closed,

I know few business that lease the building, remodeled and then covid happen. They still have the sign.

Only one I know that gave up pho soup and they closed last month
 
No, but they are still paying for your properties mortgage or not..

I'm just wondering why you chose a business that profits from peoples vulnerabilities instead of choosing a business where you can add value to peoples lives. There's just some businesses where profiteering is immoral, such as renting, medicine, basic food ect..

I own 17 houses. I rent them all out. I'm not profiting from vulnerabilities I am adding value to peoples lives. Councils decided to sell off all or vast majority of council homes which put people in a position that can't find a place to live so this opened it up for private tenants.

Inflation and price increases has NOTHING to do with renting.

Most of my houses are in areas there is no work people couldn't buy a house even if they wanted to they don't have the income but they do get support to be able to rent a house something they wouldn't need if council houses where around. Maybe if you showed a bit of commitment and affordability and stayed in a place longer than 6months the landlord might be a bit more forgiving to your needs.

90% of my properties are long term I got no problem with people hanging a TV on the wall, smoking in the garden, touching the place up or anything like that ill actually give them money if they have bought paint to freshen up the fence or interior.

Landlords are not the problem. Granted there are some real shit ones that take advantage of the situation. But high rents are down to the demand. I guess houses being worth a few million in London is all down to landlords even if the bubble pops those houses will still be valued high due to the location they are in.

Even if the market crashes which I think it will over the next few months (I'm waiting to buy a new retail unit) landlords are not going to be stopping you from trying to buy a house, that will be banks. Most mortgages now are requiring 20% deposit, in a recession lending money becomes harder BUT I guess then that's the landlords fault as well.

It's always easy to shit on the landlords. IF you can't afford to buy in the area you live either reduce your expectations or move.

By your own logic you want to buy a house taking advantage of a crass so you are taking a house off someone who has been forced into the street. Yet renting is immoral. Where do you think those people will end up?
 
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I own 17 houses. I rent them all out. I'm not profiting from vulnerabilities I am adding value to peoples lives. Councils decided to sell off all or vast majority of council homes which put people in a position that can't find a place to live so this opened it up for private tenants.

Inflation and price increases has NOTHING to do with renting.

Most of my houses are in areas there is no work people couldn't buy a house even if they wanted to they don't have the income but they do get support to be able to rent a house something they wouldn't need if council houses where around. Maybe if you showed a bit of commitment and affordability and stayed in a place longer than 6months the landlord might be a bit more forgiving to your needs.

90% of my properties are long term I got no problem with people hanging a TV on the wall, smoking in the garden, touching the place up or anything like that ill actually give them money if they have bought paint to freshen up the fence or interior.

Landlords are not the problem. Granted there are some real shit ones that take advantage of the situation. But high rents are down to the demand. I guess houses being worth a few million in London is all down to landlords even if the bubble pops those houses will still be valued high due to the location they are in.

Even if the market crashes which I think it will over the next few months (I'm waiting to buy a new retail unit) landlords are not going to be stopping you from trying to buy a house, that will be banks. Most mortgages now are requiring 20% deposit, in a recession lending money becomes harder BUT I guess then that's the landlords fault as well.

It's always easy to shit on the landlords. IF you can't afford to buy in the area you live either reduce your expectations or move.

By your own logic you want to buy a house taking advantage of a crass so you are taking a house off someone who has been forced into the street. Yet renting is immoral. Where do you think those people will end up?

No my dude,

It's simply supply and demand, as you take more houses off the market than you need, the supply of houses goes down, the price goes up, which inevitably moves more higher paid wages down into the "cant afford to buy" zone which means their only option is to rent, which increases the amount of renters.

You are not adding value to peoples lives, well the majority anyway, the people who benefit from renting are those who want liquidity for their business projects.

This is not an opinion, landlords harvesting houses like candy is the reason price has gone up. For every house you rent, that's one less left to buy. The rich are essentially hoarding properties at this point for profit. I simply do not agree with profiteering in industries where people cannot live without that product, e.g housing, food, medicine.

"It's always easy to shit on the landlords. IF you can't afford to buy in the area you live either reduce your expectations or move."

Your literally telling poor people to move from their birth place because you want profits. Do you not see how immoral that is?

I'm not worried about myself, I'm flying through pay bands at a young age, I will buy my own house soon regardless of these hoarding landlords, the people who I really feel sorry for are those who have bad parents and struggle in life due to lack of education and especially people with learning disabilities who cannot up their wages as fast as everyone else and will forever be left renting.

Renting is no longer affordable for people on minimum wage in the UK, house prices have inflated too much due to lack of supply.

Again, this is not opinion, this is a fact, it's now a housing crisis in the UK due to landlords harvesting and lack of building new homes. It's a fact. The government are having to lower standards to build houses faster because landlords are grabbing them faster than they can be built with the current standards.
 
So there will always be demand in the UK we are on an island there is only so much space to build.

Not just that but as house prices go up so does the need for land. Land prices increase. Building materials increase. Cost to build increases as builders need to be paid a living wage to cover the cost of ever increasing fuel, duty, food, insurance.

Oh yeah but all of that is "profiting" and in cloud cuckoo land that should all be free.

So the average cost to build a new home is going to go up as well.

EVEN if all the houses where freed up in the UK there would still be a demand as there are not enough houses. There isn't enough room for people who need shelters but again thats all us landlords to blame for that.

BUT of course if people didn't rent houses NONE of that would matter because none of these things will be effected.

Honestly it's easier to just point the finger.

There is nothing immoral about moving someplace because you can't afford to live there. So if you can't get a job locally in your home town is that down to the immoral responsibility of that company by not opening an office in your local city rather than one 20-30miles away?



You working in IM yeah, you can work remote? You can come and buy a house in Wales for under 50k. But you don't want to do that because you are expecting a hand house and it's all immoral to move from your place of birth. Of course it's EVERYONE else problem but yours.
 
So there will always be demand in the UK we are on an island there is only so much space to build.

Not just that but as house prices go up so does the need for land. Land prices increase. Building materials increase. Cost to build increases as builders need to be paid a living wage to cover the cost of ever increasing fuel, duty, food, insurance.

Oh yeah but all of that is "profiting" and in cloud cuckoo land that should all be free.

So the average cost to build a new home is going to go up as well.

EVEN if all the houses where freed up in the UK there would still be a demand as there are not enough houses. There isn't enough room for people who need shelters but again thats all us landlords to blame for that.

BUT of course if people didn't rent houses NONE of that would matter because none of these things will be effected.

Honestly it's easier to just point the finger.

There is nothing immoral about moving someplace because you can't afford to live there. So if you can't get a job locally in your home town is that down to the immoral responsibility of that company by not opening an office in your local city rather than one 20-30miles away?



You working in IM yeah, you can work remote? You can come and buy a house in Wales for under 50k. But you don't want to do that because you are expecting a hand house and it's all immoral to move from your place of birth. Of course it's EVERYONE else problem but yours.

5.9% of the UK is built on. That's 94.1% free. Tell me again we don't have room.

And yes, that's natural rising of costs, house prices are not rising naturally, that's the problem. I'm glad you see it now.

It's not about houses being freed up for everyone. It's about the prices rising naturally so that people on minimum wage can afford to own their own home. You seem to think houses being a luxury is normal? Once upon a time 50 years ago it was more of a normality to own your own home. Now it's turning into a luxury. That's a problem.

I am pointing the finger at both the government, council and landlords. It's been a joint effort to fuck everyone in the UK over.

Like I said, I don't care. I will be able to buy my own house soon. It doesn't bother me. I'm strongly against hoarding for renting for the people who work 40 hours a week on minimum wage because they had bad parents who didn't help them get an education.

I don't want to move to wales because I can afford a house here.

My point is, why is your view that people should move because you profited which contributed to them not being able to afford a house in their area.


Again, Landlords are part of the issue, and that's a fact. It's not an opinion. It's supply and demand. You take supply off the market, the demand increases. Less houses to buy = higher prices = higher rent. It's a vicious cycle.
 
No, but they are still paying for your properties mortgage or not..

I'm just wondering why you chose a business that profits from peoples vulnerabilities instead of choosing a business where you can add value to peoples lives. There's just some businesses where profiteering is immoral, such as renting, medicine, basic food ect..
I choose business as I like my man. I rent out to big companies that already take advantage of millions so please don't tell me I am bad. And if someone can't afford a house due to me buying it off the market then they need to better up their game or else pay the rent. I guess that is how capitalism works.

Please tell the government that people elect to give some break on property taxes to landlords and then maybe we will see (I will just buy more with those taxes cuts LOL)

P.S. Nothing personal but love to have a good discussion on all points and even though your argument is not making any sense to me. Maybe it might be making sense to you so I respect that.

Thanks
 
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5.9% of the UK is built on. That's 94.1% free. Tell me again we don't have room.

And yes, that's natural rising of costs, house prices are not rising naturally, that's the problem. I'm glad you see it now.

It's not about houses being freed up for everyone. It's about the prices rising naturally so that people on minimum wage can afford to own their own home. You seem to think houses being a luxury is normal? Once upon a time 50 years ago it was more of a normality to own your own home. Now it's turning into a luxury. That's a problem.

I am pointing the finger at both the government, council and landlords. It's been a joint effort to fuck everyone in the UK over.

Like I said, I don't care. I will be able to buy my own house soon. It doesn't bother me. I'm strongly against hoarding for renting for the people who work 40 hours a week on minimum wage because they had bad parents who didn't help them get an education.

I don't want to move to wales because I can afford a house here.

My point is, why is your view that people should move because you profited which contributed to them not being able to afford a house in their area.


Again, Landlords are part of the issue, and that's a fact. It's not an opinion. It's supply and demand. You take supply off the market, the demand increases. Less houses to buy = higher prices = higher rent. It's a vicious cycle.

No, if people move to new areas for homes or jobs whatever the reason being it brings wealth to an area and helps generate more growth. The fact you are unwilling to relocate is also part of the problem.

5.9% of the UK LOL... and out of the other 94.1% how much of that can be built on to keep houses affordable. Even if people built homes in other locations you wouldn't move there because you don't want to it's all "immoral" to move from your place of birth when in fact it's called growing up.

The problem with socialism / communism view that you have is that we should all be entitled to everything and all be on the same level peg except there will be people who will be slightly more important than you who will require something that you don't need.

The capitalist market we are inlets everyone, believes it or not work on the same level field you can afford a house in a cheaper are you are simply refusing to do so - BUT that's landlords and governments at fault, not yours.

I don't know who you are or what you do where you work or the kind of savings you have or the cost of house you wish to purchase.

BUT if you are struggling now to secure a deposit to move when a recession hits banks will require a larger deposit, will question your income and outgoings much closer as well as your affordability to keep your job or standard of living during a recession SO although houses may become more affordable they are not easier to buy in fact it becomes harder as I said a few posts ago borrowing money becomes much harder not easier. Something id imagine you may struggle with as if that was not the case you would have purchased already.

Borrowing now is requiring a 20% deposit. That's 40k for a 200k house. Your thinking houses might drop to 160k... if the bank wants a 30% deposit you need to have 48k before the bank will even consider a mortgage.

As I said I own houses in areas where my first house cost me £8,000 and my most expensive one cost me £30,000 they are now all worth around 40-80k each... the places I rent NO ONE can buy as most of them are on some kind of income support, there is no jobs in the area nothing, there is no council houses or support just landlords. Where would these people live if there are no council homes to support them? Who am I taking a house away from? You? You won't even more to someplace cheaper.
 
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No, but they are still paying for your properties mortgage or not..

I'm just wondering why you chose a business that profits from peoples vulnerabilities instead of choosing a business where you can add value to peoples lives. There's just some businesses where profiteering is immoral, such as renting, medicine, basic food ect..
Infact after hearing all this whining about house prices not crashing. I will do one thing. Will start making some phone calls to real estate companies and send in some feelers that I am interested in buying some houses. That is enough for them to not sell it off to low ballers for next 3 to 6 months.

Happens with me too. Because of people who can't afford shit and keep making enquires the real estate developer thinks market is bullish and I as a real buyer end up paying more. So it's about time I give this people a dose of their own medicine.
 
yes, when the vaccine comes, people will be back at their jobs and will be paying their mortgage.
that's why I am pissed. I am not pissed because it will happen later than I expected, I am pissed because it doesn't look like it will happen.

The cumulative damage that is happening now will not go away just when the vaccine comes, there are tons of small businesses are closing or they are fighting to not close but at the end of the day, no matter what would happen, they already have tons of expenses they have not paid and they won't be able to pay, meaning the bankruptcies going to explode in 2021, this will affect the long term of the economy. Real estate will be affected too, it won't grow for another 2-5 years, you need to look at it differently. Just wait. Its not about people will re-start paying their mortgages or not, it is about the whole picture of the economy situation which is no one is discussing it now because of the election, they are avoiding it, however we business people know, we have been there, this is not a magic bullet, it will take at least 3 years for us to recover, I will say may be 5 years, this is not like 2008, this is much much different.
 
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