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Hit a wal with money sitel. Can you help, might be able to help you too...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mike_sho, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. mike_sho

    mike_sho Newbie

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    Ok so heres the deal. Ive been doing this over a year for one company I work for. Ive used nohandseo,scrapebox,sick submitter, my own white hat which includes (social sites, web 2.0's, twitter, facebook etc). Ive used google cpc search and display network. Ive also used fiverr gigs to round out some stuff...

    Site was killing it in google with about 30-40 3-4 word keywords which pertained to the product we are selling at #1 spot, then a large amount nearly at the top. Then came along penguin/panda and the site got smacked pretty hard...then came back but didnt come back full strength. The few main money makers that we have in our website as main keywords and what really pertains to our product are there...#1 or close to it and the traffic is there as well the conversion.

    But all those similiar keywords that were rocking as well havent come back, slipped more or even one main keyword I want to see has just been slipping from #1 to #10.

    The site is making 1.2 million usd is annual revenue so it is a success and everyone is happy...EXCEPT FOR ME. I want to return this site to its former glory or at least do something slowly that will at least get back keywords that really I want.

    I probably have around 5000 backlinks for the site now and worry about continuing to grow that profile.

    So heres the question and what ive noticed. Since Im getting up in backlinks I worry about it looking to BS to google. So ive slowed adding links. I dont add them constantly like I was. I also heard to stop using anchor keywords and use like "go here" "click here" as its more natural. That would be something im wondering if your applying to get google to not get fussy.

    Another is it possibly the slowing im doing of the backlinks. Also should I kick nohandsseo back on and just limit the amount of daily links now thats its an option. "which I suggested over and over and finally think I might have possibly gotten that to stick"

    Im pretty positive that google looks for slow gradual process as natural...but my fear if its all nohandsseo than im stuck just digging a bigger ditch. I want more variety but to make it automated more.... I still go and write articles and put them out on blogs, have two other keyword built off host different ip etc etc websites that Ive gotten built and dont use the "brand name" but then target the site to our money site...

    I have lots of profiles that I backlink the crap out of....because google isnt going to slap there own blogs or web2.0's for massive backlinking or is that perhaps bad too?

    If you have suggestions please let me know. I would really like some info or help, maybe even work together with someone share ideas etc etc. Maybe a new tool....

    Im going to play around with some stuff....and will post back results and will return the favors.
     
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  2. -Jordan-

    -Jordan- Registered Member

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    There are many threads in this forum that discuss many SEO strategies. Have you applied any of these strategies?
     
  3. mike_sho

    mike_sho Newbie

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    Thats all I do is read....and yes...but I have different things going on and want to talk specifically about my remedies and solutions.
     
  4. Mr.Nick..

    Mr.Nick.. Regular Member

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    Well only reading won't get you any results.. Take Action!
     
  5. proweb

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    Keep your link velocity the same as it was before, except instead of having crap pages linking to your site, have better quality pages related to the keyword you're targeting link to the site. You also need to have more anchor text diversity.

    I cannot say without looking at the site myself, but it sounds like a majority of the backlinks you have are not good quality. If this is the case, then your ranking may be dropping because Google is de-indexing the pages linking to your site that contained poor content. Check all your backlinks and see how many are still indexed and see if the indexed pages are pointing towards the pages that are still ranking high.
     
  6. mike_sho

    mike_sho Newbie

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    Good call proweb. I have taken off targeting. I also am openly targeting any site. Perhaps time to start hitting sites higher than pr3+?
     
  7. proweb

    proweb Regular Member

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    PR is not important.

    There are 4 things you need to check when getting links:
    1 - Is the page linking to you relevant towards your site
    2 - Is the page linking to you indexed in Google
    3 - Does the page linking to you contain unique, useful, and readable content
    4 - Is the page linking to you D*follow

    PR is more of an extra bonus nowadays. You can't just buy a few irrelevant PR5 links and watch your site jump in the SERPs the next day. It's all about content and quality.

    But if you can get a high PR DF link on a page with the 4 parameters I mentioned above...then that's as good as it gets.
     
  8. reinie

    reinie Elite Member

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    Hey bud.
    First off, I would suggest holding back on the tools you mentioned (nohandseo,scrapebox,sick submitter)

    Start building some better quality links, and diversify your links. It seems like you have too many comment,web2.0 links.

    Get some video links, directory links,rss,press release,article marketing, document sharing etc tec

    What is your main competitor's links like? What kind?
     
  9. pathart

    pathart Senior Member

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    Have you looked at the backlink profiles of your competitors?

    Apart from linking via anchor texts it is also important to link with the url as the anchor text i.e; http://website.com/some-page.html and also as website.com/ www.website.com.

    You said you have stopped adding constant links, well it is more natural to add 1 link per day than it is to add 30 links on a certain date each month so its worth being careful with that.

    Good luck anyway!
     
  10. mike_sho

    mike_sho Newbie

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    We have heavy very relevant youtube videos all linking back to the money site. Directory links (sick submitter), rss...(sick submitter but havent done in awhile), press release yes...but only like 3, article marketing...not really, document sharing. We just did our first pdf/word doc on a word doc sharing site and shared it via twitter and facebook pages.

    Ive done a few facebook info pages, have a really sick pinterest page and as well have done flickr site as well.

    Its pretty diversified but of course the regular backlinks are going to be way higher in comparison to the ones mentioned.

    My competitors are really a joke...they have overdone and overcooked themselves and we passed them long time ago...allthough they do rank for some...we seem to be the top for some but they arent really that great. We do match each other in our seomoz scoring.

     
  11. mike_sho

    mike_sho Newbie

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    Yeah im doing that using the brand name / website as the article...as well as click here etc etc...ive also really uped the diversity of anchor texts...to an insane amount of anchors.

    I will start analyzing competitors and will go from there. As well with the posts per day option in nohandseo i can now use that more naturally....im setting it to about 25 per day. Also have retargeted the keywords that pertain to the product. As well highly diversified those targets.

    We will see I will keep you posted.