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Here is a new way to profit from your site! Seriously...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mortgageman, Apr 24, 2012.

  1. mortgageman

    mortgageman Newbie

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    Hey everyone,
    I'm obviously new to posting here but I've been reading for about a month and I'm blown away by the number of you who are truly brilliant in what you do.
    The thing is, so many of you are running these massive site farms and have the ability to generate keyword traffic, high page rank and google placement but are seemingly overlooking one market where you could use these skills to generate some serious money, far and above that of adwords and PPC revenue.

    First, let me ask you a couple of questions.
    How many of your sites visitors might be interested in a home refinance?
    Out of those users, if you were able to make $100 for everyone of them, would it be worth placing a mini form on your site or sites the size of a small tower banner? What if you made $500 for each one? What would that add up to be for you? Maybe a monthly rental rate for hosting the banner/form?

    To my knowledge nobody has done what I'm preparing to do and I'm looking for some serious people wanting to turn their traffic into some serious income.
    If you are interested, add me on Skype and we can discuss it today. Skype: jasonappleton77

    If you are more interested in helping my site directly rank for some highly competitive keywords as an SEO partner, let me know and we can discuss that option as well. If you can achieve some difficult milestones, the revenue you could generate are quite significant.
     
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    Seems Legit: Join Date 04-24-2012
     
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    dgruergerugerhiye BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    He wants to buy mortgage leads, lol.
     
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    not sure what i just read
     
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  6. mortgageman

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    This opportunity is legit and RESPA Compliant.
    An no, it's not about buying mortgage leads. Similar in concept but much grander in scale.
     
  7. mortgageman

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    You can't base my legitimacy on my join date.
    I'm not an SEO Guru. I've been reading here a lot to learn and pick up tricks and such but I'm struggling to get a personal site on Page 1 (stuck on pg 2) of Google for a keyword that isnt very competitive. haha I'm a business man.

    I was an MMA Fight promoter for 6 years and one of the top pro/am promoters in the country. The only pro/am promoter in the country to broadcast a two hour live national event.

    I've left that industry behind and have joined the mortgage industry, but I have some ideas that I think would work out well and thought I'd present them here to those interested.

    Nothing more.
     
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    dgruergerugerhiye BANNED BANNED Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Rather than telling people they can make hundreds per visitor from a blind opt-in form (they can't), why not set up a legitimate lander and do PPC?


    You're going to get a lot better traffic (meaning hotter leads) and you'd most likely end up paying less for the leads than you would by paying out publishers.
     
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    ^ This guy made a good point , listen to him
     
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    BHopkins Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    This isn't how it works. Most half intelligent don't fill out opt-in forms on slightly related sites. People are surfing a site about building a deck and think "Oh, I'll refinance my house while I'm here."

    You need to have targeted leads coming in to just get a small percentage to fill out a form on a very well designed landing page.
     
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    cool story brah
     
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    Lets take a real case, and I don't intend to flame. One of my largest sites is in a betting+sports niche, it gets ~260,000 uniques a day. Out of these, may be 0.01% will get interested in home refinance - thats 26 people a day. Statistically 1% of random population converts, i.e. approximatively every 4 days 1 person will fill a form - thats worser than PPC, mate. Much much worser.
     
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    Who told you that we have never done this? LOL. Its Black hat world. Its the place where experts meet! Try to learn first. then make this type of nonsense Thread ;)
     
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    If it's a form it is about the lead. Short form/ long form they're all leads. The price goes up the more qualified the lead and the bigger the mortage.
     
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    Your home refinance niche is extremely competitive and this is why you are not really seeing many people looking into this method to monetize. I would not say that the niche is saturated...it is just difficult to hold rank across a large market. Also, it tends to convert better at the hyper-local level since homeowners would prefer to be closer to their money (meaning that someone living in Arizona is less likely to take an offer on refinancing from a lender in New Hampshire). There are many products/ad campaigns/pay per lead that exist but will only convert well with highly targeted traffic that is looking specifically to do a re-fi. If you want to look at it as a numbers game....then look at the previous posts...a very valid point was made about low percentages.

    It definitely sounds like it could be promising if you are able to successfully approach someone in the personal finance/home mortgage niche. Difficulty that I see would be that you would have to seek out long-tail keywords for specific cities/regions of the country, build separate sites, and try to rank them locally. Each site would face competition from local lenders and services in those areas that may already be quite familiar to potentially interested targeted traffic.

    I personally would not touch that arena for anything other than a few Adsense dollars, but that is just me. However, you could set up several small Adsense sites in closely related niches, rank them, and link them back to a money site/authority site in the re-fi business. Any traffic that you do get is going to have to opt-in for some kind of free homeowners re-fi report or something similar so you can capture the lead. Then, send them your home refinance offer.

    Just my $.02.
     
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    Ok, so maybe the concept wont work like I had thought. You see, RESPA states you can't pay a referall fee based on closed loan amounts, but I could pay a monthly marketing fee for your "marketing" based on the previous months performance, I think. So if your site brought in 3 million in loans a month, then we could average a percentage of the sum and establish a monthly marketing fee which should be compliant.

    Or, I bring on a Powerhouse SEO God to work the site over, rank it in the SEO's and pay him a cut of everything that comes through the site.

    I was just up late last night reading here and thought, "maybe one of these guys would be interested".
     
  17. mortgageman

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    Dawgtown, very good points. I may begin working to establish sub sites for local markets.
    Let me ask you, would sub domain sites focused by city work or would they need to be completely different domains?
    mainsite/cincinnati for example. Would that be sufficient or would it need to be focused on an entirely new site?
     
  18. ESM2012

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    I would have to agree with the majority if reference to the degree of difficulty and the actual ROI on your investments/work. I have a real estate and a mortgage company as clients. It's ultra tough even in the local arena especially in the my area..Austin.

    Good Luck to what you decide!!