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Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Maxell, Feb 4, 2009.

  1. Maxell

    Maxell Regular Member

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    hey guys, I need you suggestion on something, which has recently happend to one of my friend living in UK. As we all so such things post jobs on craiglist etc to get referal and for many methods, he applied ofr a job and now I belive he can get int overy serious shit...

    he applied for something was posted with the name "Yeu Woei Machinery Co., Ltd, " you can google and see those scammers. For example here is kind of email he received

    http://antifraudintl.org/showthread.php?p=40474

    Now, the problem is that he provided all his bank account information, now a few days back he received about more than 3000GBP into his account, and he told me abou this tonight, I knew thats a a scam for sure and he can get into deep trouble, the person also said that you may cut 10% and send the remaining to us through Western Union, LOL... so that a SURE indication of fraud.. now the money is in his account, and he is afraid to operate his account.

    My suggestion was to "Reverse" the transaction (wire transfer) and tell the bank that he cannot recognize the sender hence the payment MUST be returned.

    I want to know your suggestion how to get out of this problem as he was totally unaware and newB as you can imagine he provided his bank account details, address, etc etc... please guys give us some good suggestions..

    regards
     
  2. tomr08

    tomr08 Newbie

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    He just needs to go talk to the bank
     
  3. premiumsource

    premiumsource Senior Member

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    Yes, just contact the bank and the authorities and this will be solved.
     
  4. zaifulzin

    zaifulzin Registered Member

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    either to reversed and closed all her/his account bank. Also can try to inform her/his bank account manager and tell the story. If happened to me i just withdraw the money and closed all bank account that info already sent to the scammers...
     
  5. flow

    flow Regular Member

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    Whatever was used to get the cash into his account will bounce and his bank will take the funds back-- and if he already sent 90% of it to China, he's fucked.
     
  6. aмillionaírе

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    He did nothing wrong, have him go through the proper procedures, reverse it.

    Good luck.
     
  7. AffGuy08

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    Reverse it, tell the bank real story, close all accounts and change whatever needed (the info that he gave them).
     
  8. gtford

    gtford Newbie

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    Am I the only one that would keep it, forget about the scammers, and hope nobody knocks on the door?

    If they do, play dumb - "I have no idea who sent me it, but it was pretty nice of them. I left it in the bank for a fortnight in case it was an error, but it wasn't reversed. So I spent it."
     
  9. Maxell

    Maxell Regular Member

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    thanks for the suggestion guys, I think it would be best to "reverse" the transaction and close account...

    well, they said they will be sengin more than 8000GBP in next week, there is NO FREE lunch, so definitely some big games going behind it and my friend will get into trouble, its better to reverse eveything...
     
  10. gtford

    gtford Newbie

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    Just cut off contact with the scammers, delete all emails etc. Innocent until proven guilty :)
     
  11. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    Yes, you are.

    This shit is serious and the guy can not only be out more money than the original so-called transaction is worth, but also be directly implicated in a money-laundering or bank fraud scheme. And it is a scheme.

    Do some research before offering your advice. The information is all over the place about these scams. You do no good here with uninformed answers.
     
  12. penfish35

    penfish35 Newbie

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    In my opinion (not that that's worth shit) it is most likely that these funds have come from an account that has been phished by getting the details in much the same way that your mate handed his details over.

    For example the Natwest, RBS, LloydsTSB, 1st Bank of Wherever etc security confirmation e-mails that we all see. Probably someone somewhere has had their account raided and the funds sent directly to your mate.

    He is then told to send untraceble funds through WU to the scammers - who have kept their hands clean - leaving your mate with a token 10%. ie Just enough rope to hang himself when the Boys in Blue come calling. Which I have no-doubt they will if he doesnt act first.

    Somebody is going to be wild at missing £3,000. :eek:

    I wouldn't reverse it without relating the whole story to the cops and the bank.
    If you instruct the bank to reverse it, it is still going to arouse suspicion leaving the account in the first place then arriving back again. They will follow the trail to your mate in 2 seconds flat.

    He has to come clean. He is guilty of nothing other than being naive at this point. That isn't a crime. But if he tries to kid-on it never happened or tries to sort it out himself he is going to look like he has something to hide.

    He has to go to the bank manager straight away, tell him/her exactly what has happened and ask them to inform the police that HE has been scammed - because he has - and someone else has in all likelyhood had money stolen from their account.

    His account is little more than useless now too.

    I have seen and heard of this many times over the years. If it wasn't for the fact that it is so damn hard to open a bank account in the UK these days, I would be tempted to open a bogus account and apply for all these "jobs" take the cash and send the fu*&^rs a £1.00 to the WU account and go on a cruise. But then it would probably be at the expense at some poor old pensioners life savings, so my conscience wouldn't let me just in case that was so.

    I may be a bast*&d but I'm not a bad bast*&d. ;)

    Tell him not to stress it.

    Let us know how it pans out.

    Cheers
    Penfish35
     
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  13. sinewave

    sinewave Senior Member Premium Member

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    Maxell,

    Your friend should go and talk to his bank -- in person -- as soon as possible to explain what has happened. He/she needs to be upfront with them about what happened and his innocence so they might do what they can to protect his balance.

    There are certain bank recording loopholes of which these schemes are designed to take advantage. The banks aren't adapting quickly enough and your friends' money is at risk. Plus, these situations are investigated as money-laundering and/or bank fraud, since that's what they are.

    Best of luck.
     
  14. penfish35

    penfish35 Newbie

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    It's a bit disappointing to see some of the carefree advice flying about here. As sinewave says in his post - make no mistake about it, this is serious shit.

    There's a lot of big, burley, humourless coppers that are going to be getting-up to go to their work soon, who's job it is to go after this kind of thing as soon as they have had their coffee. It's what they do every day.

    I saw this topic discussed on tv recently and they assume everyone is guilty- period. It is not something that can be sorted by reversing the cash believe me. Don't treat it lightly. Let the grown-ups deal with it.

    Cheers
    Penfish35
     
  15. da buck

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    This is such an ignorant statement. The money that the scammers send to you is fake. It can even take up to 3 months for the check to bounce, but it will bounce. If you ever get involved in one of these scams contact the bank and police immediately. Make sure your bank account gets closed so nothing can be charged against it. I worked for a car dealership two years ago and we had a "customer from England who wanted to buy a car off the lot. He sent us a check and we made sure to check with the bank to make sure it was valid. They said it was but to wait 6 weeks to make sure it cleared, which it did. Because I was cautious I waited an extra month. The day I shipped the car we got a call from the bank saying it was a scam and they were reversing the funds in our account. Fortunately we were able to stop the shipping, but if we hadn't we would have been screwed out of $30,000. Lesson learned - avoid these scammers.
     
  16. Maxell

    Maxell Regular Member

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    well I heartly appreciate inputs from some senior members and people with excellent advice, THANK YOU SO MUCH, I am not involved in this but I am very much concerned about my friend, I hope this thread will help him make the right decision on time to get out of this trouble..

    thanks for the valuable feedback guys...
     
  17. artfuldodger

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    A couple of years ago, i almost fell for one of these scams, i hadnt ever really gotten a 419 style/donation request type of email before at that time...they had a website...they kept talking about egold and euro transfers blah blah..I really thought I had found something great....it wasnt until the third email that i started noticing all the spelling and grammar mistakes (im like, they can afford to send me 8,000 a week, but can afford a translator!) so i stopped further contact


    Anyway, i later saw on the news, that a women in the midwest was being charged for criminal and civil charges as a result of being the VICTIM of these scams! Because she dutifully sent the 90% off of each check and all the checks ended up bouncing she had overdraft fees and lack of funds to the tune of 750K...when it was in the news they said (in a skeptical voice) the woman claimed to be making exchanges for her job that she got over the internet.

    The check or transfer will not clear...hes fine as long as he doesnt attempt to use the phantom funds...no reason not to inform the bank and the police and forward the emails to them, so maybe it doesnt happen to someone else
     
  18. artfuldodger

    artfuldodger Registered Member

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    I know in my banks case (M&T,HSBC,): the account number and SORT(routing) number which you can give out to receive bank transfers and automatic deposits IS NOT usable to take money out of the account so I think is actual balance is safe

    of course, this is an alert the authorities level event
     
  19. kkkola

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    Time is of the essence here. The earlier he acts, the better it is for him.

    He should speak with the bank before the bank (and the cops) speak with him.
     
  20. stinky_boy

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    penfish has the right idea. It's the same ol' scam;the only difference instead of a phoney cashiers check, they are phishing accounts or creating bogus accounts with phoney checks and then depositing the money. My son recently got a check for 7k from a US comany and was told he only need to pay the taxes back. After calling the bank, the check were of course stolen and he would have got screwed by the bank and the cops.